DH rambles and crows eating _ LOVEd this book

[leslie41]

No: HPFGUIDX 172354

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
 
> Heee, what did I see instead? I saw a creep greedily watching a 
> girl and never letting this obsession go. I am guessing that JKR 
> meant to show that Snape truly loved Lily, but that is not what I 
> took from the book.

Leslie41:
I think your "guess" about JKR is right--that's exactly what we're 
supposed to see.  Snape truly loved Lily.  And that "creep" is a boy 
of about ten himself.  Not some 35-year-old man in a raincoat.  

Alla: 
> And I was so happy to see Snape coming to DD and not giving a **** 
> about the lives of James and innocent baby he just sold out. 
> Pathetic creep indeed. You disgust me Snape in Dumbledore¡¦s words.

Leslie41:
Yes, of course...and at that point he is pathetic and disgusting.  He 
evolves out of that, and spends the next twenty years of his life 
making up for his past ill deeds.
 
Alla:
> So, I am fascinated how JKR presented DD!M Snape with the 
> Dumbledore asking him to kill him, which I was so very **sure** 
> would not happen and still left me plenty of room to be disgusted 
> by Snape and like Dumbledore.

Leslie41:
I don't think I could agree.  There's not anything remotely 
disgusting about Snape making and keeping his promise to kill 
Dumbledore.

Alla:
> Heeee, to  get to Snape for a second, I guess his death makes my 
> point as well that she wanted to show suddenness and senselessness, 
> but at the same time I cannot help but smile at the delightful 
> irony JKR brought there ¡V potion master dies from poison with no 
> chance to get an antidote or anything like that.

Leslie41:
That may indeed be an irony, though I would guess Rowling finds it 
less than "delightful".  It's clear from the book that she intends 
for us to admire Snape just as much as Dumbledore.  Perhaps more.

Alla:
> I wanted confrontation between Snape and Harry so badly, but now I 
> cannot help but think that JKR¡¦s way is so much better. She would 
> not let Snape taunt Harry ¡V haha, I am Dumbledore¡¦s man, (or is 
> he?) who loved your mother, Harry just learns it all afterwards.

Leslie41:
Why should there be a confrontation now?  What is needed is 
understanding.  Of course she would not let Snape taunt Harry, 
because Snape's taunts of Harry usually had a point to them.  They 
were usually used to educate him.  And when those taunts failed (as 
with Harry's occlumency lessons), it's Harry that is seen to be at 
fault, not Snape.
 
Alla:
> Since it also now seems that Lily was all that Snape wanted all his 
> life, I am happy imagining that in the afterlife Snape will be 
> watching Lily in James¡¦ arms for eternity.

Leslie41:
Somehow I don't think this is so.  Snape made his mistakes, but he 
paid for them a thousand times over. If Lily and Snape were to meet 
again (and there's no reason to suspect they won't, since such things 
seem to happen in the Wizard afterlife), how do you think she would 
treat the man who was her beloved childhood friend, the man who saved 
her son's life, again and again, when his own father, her husband, 
failed?

Snape is dead, but my guess is he has at last what he has been 
looking for for twenty long years.  

Lily's forgiveness.  And Lily's friendship and her love.