LILY!Snape & Peter's Hand (Was: Snapes love for Lily )

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 172507

>Sherry wrote:
>And what about Wormtail? Did the silver hand punish him for feeling a bit
>of concern about Harry, and is that why it strangled him? That was
another
>confusing moment for me.


colebiancardi:

well, LV gave Wormtail that hand.  And I believe it was cursed - if
Peter *ever* did anything to betray LV, it would turn on him & kill
him.  And Wormtail betrayed LV by not killing Harry - he hesitated. 
That's my take on it

> Carol Wrote:
>I didn't want Snape to love Lily, either,
>Alla, but his love is devotion, not physical desire. Obsession or not,
>it sustains him as Sirius Black's belief in his own innocence and
>desire for vengeance on Wormtail sustained him. JKR pulls it off and
>IMO mkes him noble, not selfish. What can he possibly gain from such a
>love? Nothing for himself, except, at the last, the respect and trust
>and maybe the affection of Dumbledore. But from the rest of the good
>side, his reward is vilification. Until the end, after his death, when
>Harry reveals the truth.

colebiancardi:

Carol, I could have lived with LOLLIPOPS, but this scene in the book,
which took place during the actual DH time-span, killed me and made me
think that Snape's *love* was of a physical nature (and a tad
creepy-obsessive):

"And next, Snape was kneeling in Sirius's old bedroom. Tears were
dripping from the end of his hooked nose as he read the old letter
from Lily. The second page carried only a few words: 'could ever
have been friends with Gellert Grindelwald. I think her mind's going,
personally! Lots of Love, Lily'
Snape took the page bearing Lily's signature, and her love, and tucked
it inside his robes. Then he ripped in two the photograph he was also
holding, so that he kept the part from which Lily laughed, throwing
the portion showing James and Harry back onto the floor" from DH, US
Ed, chapter 33, pages 688 -689

I mentioned this back in post
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/172225.

It wasn't the crying that made me upchuck - that is normal, when you
love someone and they are dead and gone.  Nor was it keeping part of
the letter -  but the ripping of the picture to keep just the part of
Lily.    That made me sick and I realized that JKR's Snape is
emotionally stuck in a teenage boy's mindset.  JKR could not deal with
Snape maturing into a man who knew what the real reasons were for
defeating LV.  Even his last conversion with Alive!DD, Snape still
states it is all for *Lily*.   I can ignore some of JKR's Snape.  It
will take time to get over it, but I *do believe* that he did mature,
despite JKR's writings that point otherwise.  

I don't understand her characterization of Snape - she did such a
fantastic job with Regulus, back in Chapter 10.  Crying for Regulus now...


colebiancardi
(I have a ton of questions back in the above post - hopefully, when
the list cools down, my fellow listies will help me with them....)

Didn't anyone else LOVE Luna's bedroom?  And Sibyll throwing her
crystal balls - hey, she found a good use for them, finally!!