Babbling on on Avada Kadavra mechanics

esmith222002 c.john at imperial.ac.uk
Wed Jul 25 16:02:12 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 172697

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "oliveu2cm" <cambition at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > Ken says:
> >
> > Yes, I've been puzzling over the two AK attempts as well.  Why 
were
> > the results different?  What stopped Harry being killed each time?
> >
> > In the forest did he survive because:
> 
> > b. he was de facto master of the wand and it would not kill its
> > master.  But if this was the reason why did it not rebound and 
kill
> > Voldemort there and then.  Did the wand know he was its master 
before
> > he declared himself so before the second AK attempt?
> 
> I definitely thought Harry would escape death in the forest by 
having
> the 3 Hallows, although that wasn't what Rowling indicated by the
> Kings Cross chapter.  However your hypothesis (b) here makes a lot 
of
> sense to me.  Harry was owner of the wand and it could not kill 
Harry, so therefore it killed the part of Harry that was not him - 
the Voldemort bit!  That's why I think the spell did not rebound and 
kill Voldemort there and then, because it had found part of Voldemort 
in Harry and eliminated that.
> 
> But the force of the spell was so profound and the fact it killed
> something that had been w/ Harry since he was a child, it knocked
> Harry into this "experience" with Dumbledore.
> 
> Additionally, I can't help but wonder if Voldemort didn't have a
> similiar "experience" as Harry in this scene.  When Harry comes to, 
he realizes that Voldemort had been thrown to the ground as well. 
Harry wondered if striking him had hurt Voldemort.  I wonder if 
Voldemort wasn't actually experiencing life as that shriveled non-
human baby thing? Perhaps Voldemort went to the white place too and 
saw what it would be like if he continued? But he awoke and didn't 
care, whereas the experience changed Harry?
> 
> oliveu2cm
>
Brothergib:
I agree with some of this. Harry was tethered to LV and this is why 
he survived. The AK from the Elder wand targeted the LV Horcrux and 
therefore both Harry and LV survived. However, because Harry had 
accepted death and was therefore master of death, he got to choose. 
This was what the Kings Cross scene was about. Harry could elect to 
join his parents or could go back and finish off LV. I think by 
mastering the Hallows, Harry returned possessing great wisdom and as 
the true master of the Elder wand. I don't think LV was involved with 
any such epiphany - he was simply knocked back due to an attempted 
attack on the Elder wand's master - but was not killed as another 
piece of his soul had taken the hit.





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