Deathly Hallows: Central Theme or Distraction? The Wand!

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 172747

---  "chuck.han" <csh at ...> wrote:
>
> > Chuck wrote earlier:
> >>
> >> The biggest problem I have with the Deathly Hallows
> >> theme is that it seems that Dumbledore never 
> >> intended Harry to garner all three objects and 
> >> become the Master of Death: ...
> >> 
> >
> >
> > andy_mycrib_1987:
> >
> > Well Dumbledore did give Harry two of the Deathly 
> > Hallow items. He > gave him the Invisibility Cloak 
> > during his 1st year at Hogwarts and he gave him the
> >  Resurrection Stone in this book.
> >
> > As for the Elder Wand, the only way that Harry could
> > have gotten it from Dumbledore was if Harry defeated
> > Dumbledore (and we all know
> > that was never going to happen).
> >
> > Perhaps Dumbledore knew that if Draco was the one to
> > disarm him ..., then Draco would be master of the 
> > Elder Wand instead of Snape.
> >
> > I have no idea how he thought this would help Harry
> > get the Elder Wand, ....
> >

> Chuck Han:
> 
> Actually, after re-reading the Kings Cross chapter, 
> Dumbledore confirms that he had intended Snape to take
> possession of the Elder Wand.  That means that Harry 
> would have to defeat Snape in order to possess all 
> three Hallows.  Dumbledore must have had faith in Harry
> that he would defeat Snape ...
> 
> Chuck Han
>

bboyminn:

Let's clear up, or at least make only partly cloudy,
the issue of the Elder Wand. 

According to Luna's Father -

"The Elder Wand is the Hallow that is most easily traced,
because of the way in which it passes from hand to hand."

"Which is that the possessor of the wand must **capture**
it from its previous owner, if he is to be truly the 
Master of it,..."

It's "Capture", not kill or murder or defeat. So, when
Griddelwald 'captured' the Elder Wand from Gregorovitch,
in a sense this was a defeat; he defeated Gregorovitch
by outwitting him, not out dueling him. 

Next, even Ollivander, whose family has been making wands
since before 750BC, doesn't fully understand the nature of
the transfer of allegiance of a wand. There is an internal
magic to it that only wands themselves understand, and 
which defies human logic, reason, and understanding. 

Harry 'defeated' Draco and captured Draco's wand, but the
wand he 'captured' was not the Elder Wand, yet Harry still
outsmarted Draco, he showed, to a degree, his mastery over
Draco, and I believe that is what caused the transfer of
allegiance of both the Elder and Hawthorn wands. 

Note also, that Harry may not have been right. The 
allegiance may not have transferred to Harry. That is not
important, what is important is that the Idea cast some
degree of doubt in Voldemort. 

The Elder Wand was returned to Dumbledore's grave where
it will likely stay until, regardless of who its true 
Master is, the current Master passes from earthly life
without a new Master being created. I think it likely
DID transfer to Harry, but it is not really necessary.
What is necessary is for Voldemort NOT to be its Master.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn