The Pig to be Slaughtered

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 172806

> Lupinlore:
> Hmmm.  I wonder to what extent the wand can be used by someone who 
> isn't its master?  Obviously to a certain extent, but does it have 
> crippling deficiencies when used by someone to whom it is not bonded?
> Also, what about the strange immunities Harry seemed to have on 
> resurrection (no effect from Crucio, etc?)  Are these because he is 
> the master of the hallows, or because he is a Resurrected Savior 
> Being?  Maybe that is what DD was getting at, to wit:
> 
> 1) DD willingly killed by Snape, leaving wand without a master;
> 2) Snape killed by Voldy, leaving Voldy with wand but not as master;
> 3) Harry sacrifices self, getting rid of disgusting mewling soul-
> fragment thing;
> 4) Harry resurrected; now has immunities to some of Voldy's spells
> 5) Harry faces Voldy.  Voldy weakened by using wand that is not bound 
> to him.  Harry has advantage of immunities to UCs.
> 6) Harry defeats Voldy.  Has Kreacher fetch sandwich.  Takes nap.

zgirnius:
I have been following this thread with some interest. It seems to me 
there is a as-yet undiscussed big flaw in the plan as outlined above.

You are missing a step:

Snape tells Harry that he is a Horcrux and must allow himself to be 
killed by Voldemort. 

As things worked out, this could be placed in the list as item 1.5, 
between the seeming murder of Dumbledore and the actual murder of Snape.

However, the condition for this step taking place was for Voldemort to 
become sufficiently concerned about the possibility that Harry is 
hunting down his Horcruxes that he started to protect Nagini magically. 
If Harry had better luck keeping the hunt secret, or Voldemort had 
better luck tracking down the Elder Wand and realizing it was not 
serving him well, Snape would have been killed before the condition 
under which he was to seek out Harry and tell him was even fulfilled.

For this reason, I do not believe that Step 2), Voldemort kills Snape 
to become (he thinks, HAH) Master of the Elder Wand, was a part of 
Dumbledore's plan. Snape's death is in no way necessary to render the 
wand masterless - this should have happened the moment Snape killed 
Dumbledore. (The plan, of course, was thrown awry by the interference 
of Draco Malfoy). 

I think Step 2 was just, Voldemort takes possession of the Elder Wand. 
I can hear you object that OF COURSE Voldemort would decide to kill 
Snape in order to master the wand. Well, yes, if he thought that is 
what it took. But I am not sure that is a foregone conclusion. After 
all, Gellert Grindelwald, in his pre-remorse days of Dark Lording, 
stole the wand from Gregorovich and was content to use it so, without 
killing Gregorovich. Did he think he was its master? Was he? Voldemort 
might have had reason to think stealing the wand from the tomb was all 
it took.