A bit frustrated with fandom at the moment - DH spoilers

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Lisa:

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> This is not at all what I said.  I agree that we have every right 
to
> criticise and explore the holes in the story and the missing
> information that we'd wished she'd put in/explained/etc.
> 
> There is a difference between critiquing the WRITING and flaming 
the
> WRITER.
> 
> To say - as I have seen mulitple times in the various fandom
> communities now - that JKR should not have done a 'battle at 
Hogwarts'
> or an 'Epilogue at the train station with sappy
> children-named-after-the-dead' because it was sappy and overdone,
> already in FANFICTION is to rob JKR of the right and ownership of 
her
> characters and her story.
> 
> My frustration and concern is the people who want to flame the 
whole
> series, in general and the author specifically, rather than 
rationally
> discuss and explore the text of the story and the characters 
involved.
> 
> No one made anyone pay any money for these books.  If we didn't 
like
> them, we didn't have to buy them, read them, absorb them.
> 
> Critique is good and constructive.
> 
> Personal attack of the author is unnecessary.


Alla:

So, how do you draw the line between personally flaming the 
author and critiquing her books?

Because frankly your example of JKR should or should not do Battle 
of Hogwarts or epilogue sounds to me as very very legitimate 
critique of her writing by the fans.

It is her story, I wholeheartedly agree with you, but if people 
think that epilogue was unnecessary and book would flow easier 
without it, or they think characters future should be left to 
imagination, they are going to say it.

I do not share this view, I **loved** the epilogue AND Battle of 
Hogwarts ( Minerva hitting Snape before especially - YUM) but it is 
IMO perfectly legitimate one.

Among other things that's what we always had been doing on this 
group - picking apart every smallest detail and YES ranting and 
venting if we think that scene is unnecessary or badly written.

For the record, since in so many posts mine drawn as many others, I 
**loved** the book, I have some minor grapes with it, but I loved it 
overall, but I will defend very vigorously the right of everybody to 
say that any scene was sloppily written or unnecessary.

That is my right as a fan to say so about any work of any writer I 
read, and mostly loved or not.

And yes, I consider myself to be a real fan of JKR. If you do not 
count OOP, every other book of the series I reread multiple times, 
bought papercover and hard cover version and some foreign language 
versions.

I **am** a real fan, just as multitude of other fans here.

And while I am a real fan, I for example consider the last speech of 
DD in OOP as many know to be the most disgusting scene ever. In 
light of new canon, I will withdraw my earlier opinion that the 
scene was OOC for DD. Seems very IC to me now.

Oh, and I am not a fanfic writer, never had been, so whether JKR 
allowed fanfic writers to write or not, makes no difference to me.

I consider personal flaming of the author to be unnecessary, yes. 
But by personal flaming I mean calling author names, I mean to draw 
conclusions of her views in RL, etc.

But having said that, I think fans are entitled to draw the 
conclusions of JKR RL views as well based on her books, although I 
myself do not do that.

Alla