Victory for TEWWW EWWW

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> rowena_grunnionffitch:
> 
> Couldn't he have just wanted the comfort of her memory in his last
> moments?  I repeat: if Lily is still the be all and end all *WHY* is
> sorrowing lover telling her son to get himself killed???
> 
> The only reason I can think of is because, like DD and Harry 
himself, defeating Voldemort has become Snape's prime objective.

Alla:

I do not know, makes perfect sense to me. I mean, JKR said that Snape 
would not have cared for Harry well being at all, but for Lily. Not 
saying that anybody should believe it, but I most definitely do.

So, why is it surprising that Snape as sorrowing lover tells Harry 
that he has to die? (He gives him memory, he does not tell him, but I 
guess it is same thing).

I mean, if we had seen any evidence of Snape's affection ** for Harry 
as person**, because he loved Lily, then sure I would be surprised 
and thinking - yeah, defeat of Voldemort is his primary objective.

By the way, I think of this last moment same way as you do. 


rowena_grunnionffitch: 
> BTW: Isn't Harry strongly motivated by the fact Voldy killed his 
parents, and was indirectly responsible for the death and suffering 
of assorted friends?
>


Alla:

Whatever Harry is responsible for to me does not even comes close to 
Snape's responsibility for helping to make Harry's life what it was.




--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nrenka" <nrenka at ...> wrote:
>  <BIG SNIP>
>> Well, it's not entirely accurate, as Snape seems to have shown more
> remorse than the scenario postulated, and was DDM rather than the 
OFH
> which I favored--although TEWWW EWWW itself is more about the 
initial
> conditions than any subsequent actions.  But it did nail the idea 
that
> he had a direct hand in Voldemort's actions towards Lily, and that 
he
> was motivated out of an explicitly personal concern.  This has also
> just been echoed by the JKR commentary on the Today Show:
> 
> "Was Snape always intended to be a hero?" "Is he a hero? I don't see
> Snape as a hero... he's very brave, but..." "Would he have protected
> Harry if he hadn't loved Lily?" "No, not at all."


Alla:

Squeeee. Take a bow from me Nora :)

Nice to know how JKR sees him, very nice. 


And who would want Snape in love with them has a great answer now, 
doesn't it?

Only if such witch wants to have Lily's fate, would she want Snape in 
love with them – as in being reported to Dark Lord and be killed with 
your husband and leaving your baby alone.

Oy, no thanks for me.


Nora:
<SNIP>
> Unquestionably brave, but....EWWWW!
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, EWWWWWW and more EWWWWW.


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pair_0_docks" 
<pair_0_docks at ...> wrote:
<HUGE SNIP>
 Also, I thought that his reaction to Harry's predicment
> about having to face Voldy and death was a more caring response than
> DD.
><SNIP>


Alla:

Sure, when I read it first time I wanted to strangle Dumbledore. 
Snape wanting Lily's son to live, while not caring about him, was not 
the perfect position, but better than DD's for me.

But when I read DD and Harry's chat, I became absolutely convinced 
that DD was positive that Harry will live and everything changed 
again for me.