DH as Christian Allegory/I am about to rant

sistermagpie sistermagpie at earthlink.net
Sat Jul 28 23:56:47 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 173530

Sydney: > I'm such a Slytherin. Whenever people tell me, "You're so 
brave for> saying that!" I think, "Uh-oh".> It's just the two of us, 
then, and also the 10 people who've told me,> "I'm so glad you've 
said that! I was thinking the same thing! But> you go ahead and post 
while I hide behind a plant!" LOL.

PJ:  
> I also saw the Nazi symbolism but, if anything, I read muggles and 
muggleborn as her "Jews".  
> They can not attend school, they are put in prison (camps) and they 
have to sign up 
> on lists so that the Slitherins can keep track of them. While I, 
like you, truly believe JKR 
> did not plan to show this in her books, it's inexcapable.  
Especially once you saw that statue
> in the MOM where the bodies of muggles were the throne proud 
Wizards sat upon... I can't imagine
> how she, or at least her editor, didn't catch it while reading the 
story after it was done.  I really
> wish one of them had as it made me very uncomfortable and I 
wouldn't want my young grandson 
> to read it until he was much older.

Magpie:
That symbolism is intentional, though. The Muggle-borns are the 
innocent people who are being persecuted by others with the 
Slytherins in the Nazi role. We're supposed to see them in our mind 
as in a position like the Jews in Nazi Germany. I think that's being 
done blatantly. She wants the Slytherins to be seen as the Nazis. 
That's not problematic (well, unless as you say you just don't want 
that brought up at all in a book like this).

The part where the Slytherins Jews is something completely different 
and seems to be unintentional--the Muggle-borns don't conform to any 
Nazi propaganda about Jews; they show up the lie that they're 
telling: they're not thieves, they're not any different from other 
wizards. The Slytherins actually do reflect a lot of the traits the 
Nazis claimed Jews had as justification for persecuting them. 

Geoff:
What I am trying to get at is instead of trying to score points off 
one another or run down what JKR has written, why don't we try looking
for things to agree on; things that we like about the books. Instead
of perpetual negativity, why don't we look for good things, 
encouraging things, things to say "wow" about? Instead of counting 
the dead, why don't we remember the numbers who came through the war 
and will go on beyond the last page – in the epilogue or not – Harry, 
Ron, Hermione, Luna, Neville, Bill, Charlie, Arthur and Molly, even 
Draco and his parents(!) and the rest. I read Tolkien and Lewis and 
Rowling first and foremost for pleasure. Perhaps I'm naïve but I 
don't want to analyse them down to the last full stop; I just want to 
be an armchair hedonist for a couple of hours!

Magpie:
How much are planning to pay me for writing posts for your 
entertainment instead of my own? Because I'm writing about what 
interests me in the books and in list discussion and skipping the 
stuff I'm not interested in.:-)

-m (who would probably have had little interest in Riddle's diary, 
the Weasley family tree or the location of Hogwarts and pretty much 
entered HP fandom because she thought something in the books was 
whacked!)





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