On Jurisprudence (was:Re: On the perfection of moral virtues)

[sridharj_ap]

No: HPFGUIDX 169602

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...> 
wrote:
<snip of a great response> 
 
> Oh, and I think the Greeks might have something to say about 
> where democracy came about, although the barons no doubt would 
> be pleased to know they are thought so highly of ;-)
> 
> Basically then I disagree with the entirety of the above quoted 
> material for my above set out reasons.

Sridhar:

I am assuming you are talking about the differences between the 
governance structure of the US vs the UK. While I am not even a 
layman on this ;), I would believe that these differences are 
because of the fact that people from the UK, who did not want 
a "House of Lords" governing them (I am including the baronies, 
dukedoms etc) went to the US. Obviously, you will find them somewhat 
exclusive.

> Goddlefrood:
> 
> In your opinion perhaps, but they do have laws. There is a 
> plethora of legislation in many forms, Codes, Decrees and 
> Statutes to name but three types. These suggest that, although 
> there is corruption, the basic precept is not dissimilar to 
> our own. That the legal system in the WW does not work is not 
> a matter I would contend.

Sridhar:
Statutes and decrees, yes, but are they passed by elected members? I 
have a feeling they are more decisions of a small minority. In fact, 
I would liken the WW governance to the military. There is no 
evidence to say the Wizengamot is made of elected people, although 
members may vote for the topic under discussion.

Education Decrees, I am sure you know they are more like dictatorial 
orders, than any "laws".
 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> As did I. The last one which is dated occurred in 1612, iirc. 
> The goblins are now looking after the majority of wizarding 
> world money and also fulfilling the role of bookmakers. Of 
> the sentient beings they seem the most trusted, but they 
> are far from integrated. Kemper said it well in his recent 
> post, so I have little to add, but to commend that post of 
> Kemper's to you (generic).

The last Goblin revolution was a couple of centuries away, but that 
doesn't mean they have stopped revolting. A few goblins working for 
the WW may not mean they have integrated into mainstream society. I 
still believe that the WW simply expanded due to population and 
survival pressures have forced other creatures into a lower order of 
living, like we have done in the real world.


--- "lizzyben04" <lizzyben04 at ...> wrote:
> We should be disturbed by this, but
> the books portray evil as something that only "others" have -
> Slytherins, Death Eaters, etc. - so that the heroes never have to 
even
> consider whether their own actions might be evil or wrong. That's a
> real flaw, IMO.

Sridhar:
I have often wondered about this too. To paraphrase a cliche, "The 
intent is more important than the means or the end."

As long as you do it for your (or someone close to you) good, its ok 
to lie/cheat, but if it is for power, then it is evil. I don't know 
whether to agree or disagree with this.


Sridhar, who never can write good captions.