Marietta

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 169626


Carol responds:
> Defend themselves against whom or what? If she doesn't believe that
> Voldemort is back, it can't be him. And she knows they're opposing
> Umbridge, which means they're opposing the Ministry, which, 
> according to Umbridge (and presumably her ally, Marietta's mother, 
> is trying to protect the "children" from "lies"). She also knows 
> that they call themselves Dumbledore's Army and believes either 
> that DD is trying to take over the Ministry and spreading lies and 
> inducing panic in order to do so (Fudge's view) or that he's a 
> doddering, deluded old fool (the official view propagated by the 
> Daily Prophet). So she wouldn't have seen the club as trying to 
> help her. (She should, however, have stopped attending. Maybe she 
> was like Lupin, afraid of losing a valued friendship if she stood 
> up to Cho?)
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Dana:
Marietta was at the meeting in the Hogs Head right? So she was 
informed about what the DA was going to do so she could have made a 
choice right then and there. 
And if she made up her mind to not be part of this group any longer 
because she didn't believe in the philosophy of this group then she 
was free to leave at any time. So why did she not just do that? Why 
did she need to rat them out. Was there a need for her to do so just 
because she did not believe in the DA anymore? I do not think so. 
And the losing her friend excuse doesn't seem to hold grounds to me 
as she ratted on Cho as well. Cho did not get expelled because 
Umbridge was not out to get her but did Marietta know this? 

Marietta ratted them out because she was afraid that she would be 
associated with them if Umbridge found out through other means and if 
you are right that she did not want to oppose the Ministry because 
she did not believe Harry's and DD's claim that LV was back, then she 
made a political decision to hand them over to the Ministry. She did 
not merely told on her fellow students but told on a group believing 
in a different truth then the Ministry did. 

There was still a choice to walk away and hold her tong if her 
decision had nothing to do with her personal believe that the DA as a 
group should be stopped because they had different ideas then the 
Ministry had at that time. And it was still because she was to afraid 
to be associated with this group and that it would put her 
unwillingly in the wrong camp because if being afraid to lose a 
friendship had an baring on her decision then she would not have put 
her friend at risk of being caught and expelled (unless she already 
knew that it was only Harry that would get into trouble but then her 
decision is actually even worse)


Carol:
> I'm sure that Marietta thought the DA members were
> dangerous and *deserved* to be expelled, just as Harry thought
> (rightly, in his case, that Draco was up to something dangerous--and
> told on him to Dumbledore in defiance of the schoolboy code because 
> of the extent of the perceived danger. Severus probably thought the 
> same about the boys who played a "Prank" that nearly cost him his 
> life: they deserved, in his view (and in mine, in the case of 
> Sirius) to be expelled.

Dana:
You are comparing oranges and apples in my opinion. Marietta 
willingly joined up the DA, saw with her own eyes what they did and 
it was nothing more then learning defensive spells and not dark magic 
to defeat any enemy but if she truly believed them to be dangerous 
then again she made a political decision to get personally involved 
in the termination of these students and therefore it makes her 
decision far more then that of an innocent child and it should 
therefore not be judge like that. 

Harry truly believed that Draco was planning something dangerous and 
his judgment was right. It was not like he and Draco had planned 
something together and then he sold out the plan to wipe his own 
slate clean, like Marietta did. But besides that Harry did not just 
tell on Draco to get Draco in to trouble he tried to warn a person 
that he trusted that Draco was into something that really could posse 
a risk. Harry knows that DD is not going to send Draco to Azkaban or 
torture him or just expell him. 

Snape (and all his fans) always seems to forget his own 
responsibilities in the actions he takes and the prank as far as we 
know was nothing more then Sirius telling Snape how to get to Lupin 
and Snape eagerness to get the Marauders expelled (so before the 
prank materialized) was what made him go after Lupin. No one made 
Snape act on this information then Snape himself and therefore if he 
had gotten killed then it was indeed his own fault. James prevented 
it but Snape ran to DD anyway hoping that his story was enough to get 
all the Marauders out of his hair once and for all.  Besides it is 
only Snape that stated that the Marauders played a trick on him, 
Lupin doesn't say Snape was tricked into following him just that 
Sirius thought it amusing to tell Snape how to get there. He actually 
states "of course Snape would tried it", indicating to me 
specifically that it was Snape's own choice to go there. 

And he still after 20 years tried to punish (with success) the 
Marauders what they did to him while actually he did it to himself. 
Curiosity killed the cat and Snape at 16 should have known better for 
1) never listen to your personal enemy 2) for not knowing what he 
could find as he knew Lupin disappeared every month and he saw Lupin 
being brought to a murderous tree by the school nurse 3) making his 
personal vengeance more important then common sense 4) not meddle 
with things that are none of his business. 

And what did Snape learn from his mistakes? He still meddles with 
things that are none of his business (well unless he is expected to 
do so then suddenly he can control his urges), he still puts his 
personal vengeance above common sense, he still makes wrong 
conclusion of information he receives and he still listens to a 
supposed to be enemy and lets himself be tricked. Great lessons 
learned Severus Snape but that is what you get when you never take 
your responsibilities for your own actions and blame the rest of the 
world if things go wrong due to the choices you make for yourself. 
Well at least he is sophisticated enough to even make his fans 
believe he is never responsible for anything. It was his bad 
childhood and him being bullied. Those bad Marauders did not even 
bully him in the right way because it did not work for Snape as he 
failed their lessons so miserably. Can't be their teaching methods it 
just did not work for poor Snivellus. 

If Sirius should have been expelled then so should Snape for meddling 
with official school business and being out of bounds. Snape did not 
know about the marauding they did with werewolf Lupin so he surely 
could not have acted on the supposed dangers the Marauders put the 
students and the villagers too and therefore he could not have acted 
on them supposedly being dangerous. And if he did then he is a big 
fat lair in PoA for not knowing that Peter was the rat Ron was 
holding. 

JMHO

Dana