Sirius, Sirius, Sirius - favorite moments / re: Why Sirius had to die-maybe

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Betsy Hp:
> > And I've been meaning to do so for *forever*. <bg>  So, favorite 
> > Sirius moments, just for you, Jen. <g>
 
Jen:  
> Omigosh, you actually did it!  

SSSusan:
Sirius?  Did I hear someone say Sirius??  ::ears perking::


Jen:
> You know what's funny, I started thinking about Sirius after my 
> comment and realized many of his character moments are tinged with 
> something besides pure pleasure for me.... <snip>  I decided it's 
> because he signals the return of all Harry has lost as well as not 
> distancing himself from Harry like so many of the other males do.  
<snip> Sirius is just sort of a tragic figure to me, doomed from the 
> start and backed into a corner in OOTP before being offed - 
> brutal, like you said. 

SSSusan:
Sigh.  So very, very true. :(  

 
BetsyHp:
> > Full confession time: I liked Sirius in the Pensieve scene. Oh, 
> > I hate what he and James did to Snape of course, but I loved how 
> > carefree and beautiful and arrogant Sirius was.  

SSSusan:
What a beautifully turned phrase, Betsy.  I think it's hard to 
admit, perhaps, to appreciating that aspect of Sirius because he's 
being such a prat in that same scene, but you've expressed it so 
well that it really does make sense.


BetsyHp:
> > And I really loved how close he was with James.  That interplay 
> > after Lily stormed off, "Reading between the lines, mate, I'd 
> > say she doesn't like you" was perfect.  (That's a guess at the 
> > line since I'm away from my books at the moment.)

SSSusan:
Damn, you're close!  Here's the actual:

"Reading between the lines, I'd say she thinks you're a bit 
conceited, mate."  :)

And I agree with you about enjoying the glimpse we get of the 
friendship between the two.  We knew they were close because we knew 
Sirius turned to James & his family when he wanted no more of his 
own Black family, but I love JKR's showing us the way they were 
together.


Jen:
> Okay, my own favorite moments (besides Gary Oldham portraying him 
> in POA, hehe):
> 
> * Sirius and Lupin together in the Shack when they first meet up 
> again and start piecing together what happened - all that manly 
> man stuff going on until Snape and Peter mess everything up. 

SSSusan:
LOL.  All that 'manly stuff!'  I liked this scene for how they cut 
through all the years of built-up assumptions & doubts and got right 
back to where they needed to be.


Jen:
> * "Panting slightly and sweeping his long dark hair out of his 
> eyes, Harry's godfather Sirius, turned to face him.  'Hello, 
> Harry,' he said grimly, 'I see you've met my mother.'"   I don't 
> know why JKR introduced him in OOTP without naming him, but it 
> worked.

SSSusan:
Love this as well.  Wit laced with just the teensiest bit of sarcasm 
(because I don't care for overdone sarcasm myself).  


Jen:
> * Last but not least, his sense of freedom and release when 
> battling Bellatrix and then the ultimate freedom from his adult 
> life of almost continual imprisonment when he falls through the 
> Veil.  It seems right to me now even though I really hated OOTP 
> when he died ....

SSSusan:
Wow.  You're much braver than I to be able to look at it this way.  
I'm still hung up on the loss part of it, the waste of it, the 
brutal unfairness of it for him and for Harry.

As to some additional favorite moments for me, I'd add:

*Any time Sirius was bounding along as Padfoot, particularly on his 
(yes, unwise, but still...) trip to King's Cross to see Harry off to 
Hogwarts.

*His encounter w/ Snape at Grimmauld Place.  Yes, indeed, that is 
one of my favorite Sirius moments.  I loved how determinedly he 
embraced that parental role for Harry, defending Harry, sticking up 
for him, trying to protect him.  Snape was *so* goading Sirius, 
taunting him, and yet he didn't cave in the slightest.  Yeah, he 
went a little overboard at the end, but I still loved him in that 
scene.  Hot & fiery & fiesty & not *just* because of an old 
schoolboy feud but because he was working to protect Harry.

As to one of my least favorite Sirius moments... absolutely it's 
when we see him after he's been stuck at GP for months, depressed, 
feeling useless, wasting away, miserable.  Not how I prefer to think 
of him near the end of his life. 

Siriusly Snapey Susan