[HPforGrownups] Re: Petunia's Eyes/Snape, Snape, Snape

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 169938

> Magpie:
> Honestly? I kinda do when I'm looking at canon. *ducks and hides*
> At least for LiD and OFH Snape. (Speaking of shockingly indiscreet,
> I think both of those are just filed in my head under "Plot Device!
> Snape" if these are the theories as I understand them--I think that 
> for intance, Snape's feeling in Debt to the Potters is an important 
> part of his character in canon.) Snape's already Grey in canon 
> whichever way he goes. 

Jen: Wait a sec, DDM Snape gets to be grey, too?? You mean in the 
sense of before and after Snape, that he's Grey because he was a DE 
and now he's returned to Dumbledore?

Because I don't see how a DDM!Snape can be Grey. His redemption is 
supposed to be a *complete* reversal when all was said and done. All 
his actions will make sense for a fully redeemed Snape when his 
loyalty and motives are revealed, even the tower where he is supposed 
to be acting on DD's orders to kill him (or there was no AK is the 
second option, I suppose). And Dumbledore's man *through and 
through* as I understand the concept, at least how I interpret the 
canon version of that statement, would be a Snape who has renounced 
the following if he subscribed to them during the time he was 
Voldemort's man: the dark arts, pureblood superiority, and *real* 
ties (not the double-agent pretend ties) and loyalty to Voldemort or 
his followers which would in any way supersede his loyalty to 
Dumbledore. Otherwise I don't see how he's DD's man through and 
through if he has other masters (so to speak) that have caused him to 
falter in his loyalty to Dumbledore.

Magpie:
I consider DDM!Snape to be already grey simply because he's a real jerk.:-)
I mean, even if he is shown to be fully loyal to Dumbledore and not
Voldemort since he left the DEs (which is how I would define DDM), he'll
have done bad things that are not explained as really being for the
good--meaning made sarcastic remarks, been mean to Harry, abused his
authority etc. So that's what I mean by grey in this case. Not that he has
any sort of mixed loyalty, because I just don't think that would work, but
that Snape's never going to be completely white any more than his
underpants were when they turned him upsidedown. To me--I assume that's
basically what you are talking about for DDM Snape too. When he's revealed
as DDM it will show that he didn't murder DD for personal gain or
Voldemort, but Harry won't also learn that all those years he was mean to
him he was just acting to make Harry strong or something like that. He's
just too dark a guy to ever really be light to me.

ronnie:
However, who said she's not a witch? 
mayby Petunia was so shocked or scared of discovering her magic 
abilities in the midst of a muggle family, that she was the first 
victim of her policy to "squash out all of the magic" from her. 

Magpie:
JKR said she's a Muggle, in the books and in interviews. It's been quoted
several times in the thread.

ronnie:
Besides, I think JK hinted that someone known as a muggle will do some 
magic in book 7 - I really believe it could be Petunia (perhaps Dudley 
will be in danger).

Magpie:
I believe JKR said "someone"--she did not say someone "known as a muggle."
She also said Petunia would never do magic.

TKJ:
Because my point is can she still be called by this slur if it turns
out to be that there was magic in her fam a generation or two ago? 

Magpie:
Oh, I see. I'm not sure. 

Anne Squires:

As I understand the definition of "mudblood," anyone with at least
one Muggle grandparent is "not pure;" thus, a "mudblood." Therefore,
by this definition she could be called this slur even if she did have
magic in her family several generations back.

Magpie:
I think Mudblood only means Muggle-born. Thus someone is "half a wizard" if
they have a Muggle-born parent, but a Mudblood if they are a Muggle-born.
Though I'm sure Lucius would consider a single drop of Muggle blood dirty.
I wonder what would he make of the Wizarding child of Malfoy squibs?

-m