Say it isn't so Lupin!!!

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 170090

> Jordan:
>  I know you meant real people rather than characters, but...  
> > that's part of the "meat" behind this argument against ESE!
Lupin: If  
> > Lupin is ESE, Snape is right for being an anti-werewolf bigot, 
and  
> > that's not a message that JKR would be putting in the books.
> 
> Pippin:
> But Snape's anti-werewolf bigotry alienated Harry and convinced
> him to aid Lupin, so if it turns out that Lupin was guilty, Snape's
> bigotry will be exposed as counterproductive. 


Alla:

That's one interpretation - another is that Snape bigotry will be 
encouraged by the author. I mean, the bigot, who does not know how 
werewolf mind works turns out to be right - such werewolf is evil.

Yeah, as a reader I am able to figure out for myself that regardless 
of whether Lupin is evil or not, Snape's bigotry is disgusting, I 
still do not want to think that JKR will even implicitly encourage 
that. Her right as a writer obviously, but my right as a reader to 
dislike it as well.


Pippin: 
> I am confident that we will find that both Snape and Sirius had
> better reasons to suspect Lupin than anti-werewolf bigotry. 


Alla:

I am pretty sure we may find out the reasons, I am also pretty sure 
that Snape reasons will not be seen as good in any way shape or 
form. My speculation is that  Lupin was doing some sort of secret 
work for the Order and dissappeared often and that is why Sirius 
suspected him, but we shall see who is correct soon enough


 
> Alla:
> 
> Not if HBP and DH were really planned as two parts of one book, as
> JKR noticed, then it is quite possible that the **traitor**, the
> real one is already revealed and the book 7 will deal with
> repercussions of what happened on the Tower, IMO.
> 
> Pippin:
> Any society that relies on bonds of mutual trust and obligation
> is going to resonate with anxiety about traitors. JKR has been 
building
> it up ever since Hagrid first told Harry about Voldemort. It 
doesn't
> make sense for her to have that anxiety diminish before the
> climax of the last book. 

Alla:

I do not get your point. Wynnleaf as I understand her argued that 
traitor is likely to appear in book 7 because traitor apppeared in e 
every book so far. I responded that per JKR herself two last books 
are basically two halves of one, so it makes sense to me that there 
would be only one traitor in those two books and we already seen him.

It does not make sense for JKR to not show another traitor in book 7 
why?

Trio is going to be very very busy on Horcrus quest and dealing with 
repercussions of what Snape did and many many things. You think 
traitor is necessary feature of book 7? I think they will do just 
fine without one, hehehe. OR if traitor will show up, which I am 
betting against, but hey, JKR surprised me enough times, I think it 
will be someone from younger generations.



 
> Alla:
> Would ESE!Lupin still stand up on its own? Or is it just a way to
> exonerate Snape? What literary purpose ESE!Lupin serves if we
> **assume**, just for one second, that Snape is if not evil, but at
> least grey and did that horrible thing on the Tower?
> 
> Pippin:
> The literary purpose of having Snape's evil unproven, is, as JKR 
> said, to continue the story for another book. But as for standing
> without the events on the Tower, I remind you that the theory
> has been around in one form or another since post 39362,
> long before the publication of OOP, much less HBP.
> 
> It was predicted that Snape would betray Dumbledore, 
> and  it was also predicted that this betrayal would prove
> false and the real betrayer would be someone else. Other
> candidates have been mentioned, but there isn't nearly the
> canon evidence for them as there is for Lupin.   

<SNIP>

Alla:

Um, yeah, I know that ESE!Lupin was around for a long time. And my 
question was and is what other literary purpose does it have besides 
Snape's exoneration. I was not clear, I guess, because I also put in 
Tower events besides general question of Snape exoneration.


Oh, and Snape's not really betraying Dumbledore  is not a proven 
prediction yet, no?

I made that prediction too, as far back as 2004 and have post to 
prove it, but my prediction was based on Harry listening to hearsay 
evidence of Snape betraying DD and then learning that it was 
incorrect.

I certainly did not think that Harry will personally witness greasy 
git murdering Dumbledore, so I do not think my prediction will be 
true.

I of course only speak for myself, I am sure other people who made 
same prediction  can or do think differently about it.

JMO,

Alla