Snape - a werewolf bigot?? Was: Say it isn't so Lupin!!!

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> > Mike:
> 
> > As to being in humiliating positions; I wonder what you think of 
> > Snape's "I see no difference" remark? You suppose that might be a 
> > little cold-hearted dig at Hermione's large front teeth? No need 
to 
> > answer. :D 
> 
> Pippin:
> What do Hermione's front teeth have to do with Snape's attitude
> towards Muggleborns? Or are you planning to assert that the 
> Marauders insulted Snape's appearance because he was a half-blood?

Alla:  

I understood Mike comparing Snape's remark towards Hermione with 
Filch's remark towards Hagrid to show if if one is arguing Snape 
being under duress when he insulted Lily, then Hagrid was also under 
duress from Filch's remark, but maybe I was wrong.



> > Mike:
> > And let's compare invectives. Filch and Figgy both call 
> > themselves "Squib". No doubt Hagrid's use is meant as an attack 
on 
> > Filch's status, just as Filch has led with an attack on Hagrid's 
> > status. But, I have yet to see any Muggleborn's refer to 
themselves 
> > as "Mudblood". In fact, it seems to be one of the worse terms 
> > available in the WW to use against another person. It is also 
been 
> > used by only the most ardent and obviously bigotted people. 
> 
> Pippin:
> Circular argument, there. You haven't proved that Snape was 
> ardent and obviously bigoted at the time when he insulted Lily
> Evans. I think we have canon that he wasn't. Harry would have
> noticed if Snape had written, "Die, mudbloods, die" in his
> potions book, no? Even the fact that he later joined the Death 
> Eaters does not tell us whether he was sympathetic to all their 
aims. 


Alla:

Um, Snape's usage of the word proves to me that he was and maybe is a 
bigot, really I need nothing more. 

As Dana said - if Snape would not feel that way IMO this insult would 
not have come to his mind, duress or not.


And LOL - if him joining DE does not prove that he was sympathetic to 
their goals, then really I do not know what will it take to prove it.

Any other DE we had seen, who joined, but was **not** sharing their 
goals? Yeah, Regulus got out, but I do not remember any support that 
he originally was not sympathetic to "pureblood supremacy" ideals. 


 
> > Mike:
> > Filch is a Squib. That's a fact. Was Hagrid using a bigotted term 
> > when Hagrid called him such? I seem to remember you arguing that 
it 
> > was a bigotted term, even if Hagrid is not truly bigotted.
> 
> Pippin:
> The word isn't derogatory, the usage is. In both cases the
> speaker is being rudely impersonal and rudely reminding 
> another of their lower social status. But taking advantage of
> someone's lower social status to insult an individual is not the
> same as advocating that status, or advocating that it should
> be even lower. 


Alla:

So, wait if somebody called me "dirty zhidovka", that means such 
person is taking advantage of my lower social status, but unless such 
person screams loudly " kill zhidov and save Russia", such person is 
not a bigot? Or are you talking about different degrees of bigotry as 
if one is better than another?

Snape joined the organisation who wants to torture and kill 
Muggleborns. I think it follows very nicely that him calling Lily a 
Muddblood, which twelve year old Ron knows is the wors insult ever 
means that he had shared those beliefs.

IMO,

Alla.