Choices of life - Abilities or other qualities/Re: Regulus' death(was: Snape

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 170190

sridharj_ap:

> I guess the Marauders became friends based on their respect for 
> ability and not because they "liked" them. Draco and other make 
> friends (if they have anybody to be called "true" friends) based 
on 
> purity of blood.
> 
> Harry, on the other hand, refuses Malfoy's offer of friendship, 
> instinctively and makes friends with Ron, Hermione and Hagrid.
> 
> Is this one of the lessons in the books or is it just me reading 
> something into nothing?

Magpie:
I don't know whether they're all that different. Harry's friends 
with all Gryffindors, the Marauders were friends with Gryffindors, 
the Slytherins are friends with Slytherins. I don't think JKR is 
saying that the Marauders weren't true friends--on the contrary. 
They certainly made a mistake with Peter, but I still think they're 
friends. 

Jen: I got the impression Sirius cared for Regulus from the way he
talked about him and it's hard to pinpoint why. Maybe it was how
he 'jabbed' his finger at the tapestry like the death still made him
mad and got testy with Harry when Harry expressed surprise about
Regulus joining the DEs. Then Sirius explained the situation by
putting blame on the Black family for Regulus joining up rather than
blaming Regulus. Am I saying the same thing you are Magpie? I
wasn't sure exactly what you meant about Regulus' death being part of
the same story.

Magpie:
Sorry-that is what I meant. I really do think both Sirius and 
Regulus cared for each other. It seems like Sirius is probably more 
comfortable with anger at his family than anything else, and with 
Sirius especially I think his calling him an idiot is covering up 
real regret and sorrow over his wasted life. And I agree with the 
other poster that the feeling was mutual for Regulus. Ultimately the 
two of them did, I think, wind up joined back up together without 
knowing it. I would love to see Sirius' reaction to learning about 
RAB.

Sirius does, I think, put Regulus into his own narrative of his 
family by blaming them for giving him his bad ideas. What I like is 
that this not only indicates maybe a desire to shield Regulus, but 
also an underestimation of him. He may not have appreciated Regulus' 
ability to figure out where he went wrong and his ability to take 
action when he did.

bboyminn:

First and foremost, I'm not buying any 'Lupin is a
spy and a traitor' theories; I'm just not.

Next while some very good observations have been
made in this thread, people seem to be overlooking
one major factor; perhaps not overlooking it but
not sufficiently regarding it. That factor is time.

Regulus did not die last week or last month, he died
more than 15 years ago, and 15 years is a lot of
time for the truth to come out. Also, note that
Lupin was in Dumbledore's inner circle, if
information like this was available, I think
Dumbledore would be likely to tell Lupin.

Magpie:
Luckily, I'm not selling any Traitor!Lupin theories. But it's still 
an interesting question. Lupin may be in Dumbledore's inner circle, 
but Regulus wasn't, presumably. Obviously 15 years later it's 
generally known what happened, but my question is how did they get 
this information, and what information did they actually get? 
Because it seems as if they're wrong, after all. None of them knew 
that Regulus was out stealing Horcruxes or how he really died. They 
all seem to have been filling in the blanks. I'd like to know what 
blanks. We know why Dumbledore is aware of Snape's change of heart 
and Draco's indecision--he doesn't seem to have been present or 
aware of Regulus.' 

bboymin:
We have no indication nor likelihood that Lupin or
Sirius knew everything immediately. What they are
both saying now represents information accumulated
over the course of over 15 years, many conversations,
and much investigation.

Magpie:
I'm not sure it does, though. My feeling in listening to both of 
them talk was that it seemed like they were talking about stuff they 
knew, not stuff that Dumbledore happened to bring up years later. 
Regulus is more important to Sirius and Lupin (as a friend of 
Sirius') than he would have been to Dumbledore, imo. He was a 
classmate of theirs.

I still think it may come into play exactly how they--meaning the 
Order side--got their information about Regulus, since his true 
death seems to have been kept secret for so long. This, for me, is 
not about seeing anything suspicious in Lupin, but in finding out 
the true story of RAB.

-m