Werewolves and RL equivalents

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 170301


> Magpie:
> I think we're all getting mixed up because the word "werewolf" is 
sometimes
> used to mean Lupin and sometimes used to mean the monster--the very
> not!Lupin monster that Lupin turns into under the full moon without
> medication.
> 
> There's nothing prejudicial about being afraid of that creature. 
You'd be
> insane not to be (unless you were a transformed animal yourself at 
the
> time). I think Lupin would be the first person to encourage you to 
be
> afraid of it, because he doesn't want to kill anybody in that 
state, and he
> can't control himself in it. 


Alla:

Indeed, very true, in this thread werewolf is used to mean any 
person, not just Lupin and sometimes the monster they transform in.

I am not having any trouble figuring out what I disagree over with 
Betsy and some other posters in the thread, but I sure am having a 
lot of trouble trying to figure out what exactly I said that is 
disagreeable with what you wrote.

It is not prejudice to be afraid of werewolf? Sure, it is not, when 
such person is a werewolf, any person, not just Lupin, no? To be 
exact – it is not prejudice to be afraid of werewolf during full 
moon. What exactly we are arguing about again, lol?

What I am saying is prejudice is to deny werewolves jobs and any 
sort of normal lives, when they are **not** werewolves, when they 
are humans. Yes, regardless of the fact that they are dangerous once 
a month. If you are disagreeing with that, which I do not think that 
you do based on what you wrote in the past, then maybe that is what 
we are arguing about? I am confused.

I think that I also said several times in this thread that 
precautions should be taken. I think the existence of potion shows 
that it is not as hard as WW likes to imagine, taking precautions I 
mean. It is not easy either of course, when is the change easy?



Magpie:
> Being prejudiced against Lupin the person is wrong. He suffers 
from the
> disease as well. Both Lupin and Fenrir turn into something deadly 
once a
> month. Fenrir, the human, uses this deadly thing to evil ends. 
Lupin makes
> the opposite choice and tries to protect everyone from controlling 
the
> deadly thing--through wolfsbane or locking himself up. Most of the 
time
> Lupin and Fenrir are humans, with all the potential for good and 
evil of
> which humans are capable.


Alla:

Yes again to everything you write LOLOLOL. Oh, maybe that is what 
disagreeable, I think it is wrong to be prejudiced against **any** 
person who is werewolf, or I guess to be afraid of any person who is 
werewolf, when such person is not a werewolf. Unless of course such 
person chooses to do evil when in control of his mental facilities, 
like Greyback.

Do you disagree with that?


Magpie: 
> Disliking Fenrir, of course, makes sense because he's dangerous as 
a human
> too. But both he and Lupin are perfectly human most of the time. 
It's just
> their presence means you could potentially be in the presence of 
this
> deadly thing once a month. They have a certain connection to a dark
> creature.
> <SNIP>

Alla:

Um, yes, again except of course they choose to do different things 
with that creature while they can. Greyback positions himself closer 
to victim and Lupin, well you know.


Magpie:
<SNIP>
And when I say monster I mean the transformed
> un-medicated werewolf, obviously, which is a monster by 
definition, not
> Lupin the whole person.....> 
<SNIP>


Alla:

I really like that again. I did not clarify before again, I 
certainly see the use of the word monster to the unmedicated 
transformed werewolf, I just refuse to use it for the reasons above 
and because I see metaphor as illness, even if fictional and cannot 
call being sick a monster, but totally understand.



> houyhnhnm:
> Lupin is compensating for the terrible beast that 
> erupts out of him every month and over which he has 
> no control. He does it by completely denying his 
> *normal* *human* agression. He can't get angry. He 
> can't stand up for anything. Of course, this misguided 
> attempt does not in any way lessen the severity of his 
> transformations. All it does is make him a less 
> authentic human being. Agression takes a dishonest, 
> passive form with Lupin.
> 
> Magpie:
> It's one of the things I like about Lupin.:-)
<SNIP>

Alla:

Well, yeah, it is just I do not buy that attempt to being nice all 
the time and I think we see glimpses of angry Lupin too, makes one 
less authentic human being. I think he is very honest when he tries 
to repress the "monster within", but hey, JKR did call him a damaged 
man, and how can he not be?

Magpie:
<SNIP>
And not 100% because it's an accident, imo. I know some people
> disagree, but I've always thought it was a consistent part of 
Lupin's
> character--as a kid, of course, he did choose to join his friends 
outside,
> so that wasn't a mistake. But in PoA there's that great battle 
with Snape
> where Lupin's all "I'll drink the Potion later." That's the one 
time we see
> him with the Potion and faced with Snape's pushing he's 
intentionally blase
> about it and refusing to drink it when he's told. <SNIP>

Alla:

Okay, finally I know we disagree over that. LOLOLOL. You think Lupin 
did not take potion that night on purpose? Are you sure that you do 
not support Evil Lupin after all <g>?


Dana:
<SNIP>
It is not Lupin that is the monster but
the disease that turns him into a monster unlike Greyback who is
already a monster as a human and becomes worse so when it is a full
moon.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Agreed.