Werewolves and RL equivalents (was:Re: Snape - a werewolf bigot?

[lanval1015]

No: HPFGUIDX 170415

> lizzyben:
> 
> I agree that Lupin had no *reason* to resent taking the potion, 
but 
> he does. 

Lanval:
Where's the evidence for that? Please, show me the exact quote that 
*proves* (because you're stating this as a fact, not an opinion) 
your claim.

> lizzyben:
People aren't always reasonable or rational. I think that 
> consciously, Lupin acknowledges that the 
> potion helped him, and he is grateful to Snape for supplying it. 
He 
> also know that that the potion allows him to transform safely, it 
> saves him pain, and ensures the safety of others. So, really, 
Lupin 
> should be down on his knees thanking Snape... Snape, the jerk, the 
> taunter, the enemy who never loses a moment to insult Lupin, to 
> refer to his illness in public, to enjoy his new power over Lupin, 
> to triumph in how the tables have turned. 

Lanval:
Snape, who was likely *ordered* by DD to brew this potion? JMO. 


> > lizzyben:
> Lupin HATES feeling indebted to Snape,and especially hates that 
> Snivellus is now more powerful, more successful, more trusted by 
> Dumbledore   

Lanval:
Canon support? 


> > lizzyben:
and especially hates that 
> Snivellus is now more powerful, more successful, more trusted by 
> Dumbledore - and always ready to rub it in. So when Snape brings 
his 
> potion, Lupin resists in small ways - trying to recover the power 
in 
> that relationship. First, he resists drinking it in front of 
Snape - 
> why give him the satisfaction of being Lupin's "baby-sitter?" 
Then, 
> over time, as Lupin's guilt over Black grows, as Snape's 
suspicions 
> grow, Lupin starts to (irrationally) resent him even more 


Lanval:
Proof? Sorry if this becoming repetitive.


> > lizzyben:
- because 
> Snape is right.He *is* deceiving Dumbledore, & Snape seems to know 
> it. And he hates facing Snape, because it makes him feel even more 
> guilty. And he hates having to depend on someone who hates him. So 
> he "forgets" his potion that night - this hurts Lupin, but it also 
> hurts SNAPE. DD entrusted Snape w/the Wolfsbane potion - if Lupin 
> transforms w/o it, DD will blame Snape for failing in his duty. 
> Snape, who was so worried about security, would fail to keep the 
> school safe. This is Lupin's revenge on Snape - and I don't 
> even think he's aware that he's doing it. That's what passive-
> agressiveness is all about.
> 

Lanval:
So... Lupin would potentially sacrifice the live(s) or health of 
schoolchildren to get a swipe at Snape? Risk unemployment at the 
very best, Azkaban/execution/whatever at worst? LOL.

And where's the proof that Snape was ever worried about security? 


> > lizzyben:
> Lupin keeps all his resentments & anger bottled up inside - he 
never 
> mentions his anger at Snape, he never fights with Snape, but he 
lets 
> it come out in other ways. I don't believe he consciously *meant* 
to 
> forget his potion, but I do believe that he subconciously "forget" 
> on purpose in order to punish both himself, and Snape. Lupin 
doesn't 
> even know he does this, so there's nothing to stop him from doing 
it 
> again. I wouldn't trust Lupin to take his potion at all, 
especially 
> from Snape, given the dynamics of the relationship. IMO this type 
of 
> lapse was inevitable.
> 

Lanval:
Sorry, you can either forget subconsciously, or forget on purpose. 
Not both. 

There's no proof that Lupin ever did NOT take his potion save on the 
night of the SS; even on the first occasion he takes it the minute 
Snape leaves. 

And while we're still at it -- proof for Lupin being terribly angry 
with Snape and bottling it up, please?