Werewolves and RL equivalents

juli17 at aol.com juli17 at aol.com
Tue Jun 19 19:27:18 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 170458





Jen:  Snape's motivation was important because how he feels about the 
Marauders is a crucial part of the series and may have bearing on 
revelations about Snape's past and future.  My point was there wasn't 
a chance for Dumbledore or Lupin to make a choice - it was taken out 
of their hands by Snape.  And nowhere does it say Dumbledore believed 
three students were endangered that night.  He's the one who 
suggested the time turner, sending two of the students back out into 
the situation, and later convinced Fudge that Lupin was trying to 
save lives. 
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Julie:
I guess that is the crux of the disagreement then, that Dumbledore
*couldn't* make a choice. I and others don't agree that is the case,
since Dumbledore pretty much does what he wants. And even on the few
occasions he CAN'T do what he wants, because the Ministry or someone
else has the power to stop him, we've always been made aware of that
interference. So why not this time? No good reason I can think of,
other than that what is happening is acceptable to Dumbledore.




Carol:
> Not to mention that Fudge knew that Lupin had been running around 
> the grounds in werewolf form and would have made sure that Lupin
> resigned or was fired if Dumbledore didn't. 

Jen:  That's not part of the story though.  Dumbledore convinced 
Fudge that Lupin was trying to save lives the night before, not 
endanger them. Fudge appeared to be out of the picture after that 
night.  

Carol:
> Lupin had betrayed Dumbledore's trust and had to pay the 
> consequences. 

Jen: Since when is Dumbledore all about consequences?  Lupin may have 
stated he didn't live up to Dumbledore's trust but nowhere does it 
say Dumbledore agreed.  This is the same guy who was smiling and 
expressing amazement to find out the Marauders became illegal animagi 
and were running around the castle grounds as students.  Dumbledore 
was aware when he hired Lupin that he would only be staying a year 
and that the DADA curse would act on him in some way.  DD, and 
presumably Lupin, agreed to those conditions at the beginning of the 
contract.  Dumbledore knew there would be a poor outcome; he just 
didn't know what it would be. 
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Julie:
Dumbledore smiling about illegal actions of students that happened some
two decades earlier is a bit different than expecting Dumbledore to 
overlook an adult's-a *teacher's* no less--betrayal of his trust. It's
not the same thing at all. I agree that Dumbledore knew Lupin would only
be staying the year, but I beleive his acceptance of Lupin's resignation
was not because Snape's action "forced" it, but because LUPIN'S actions--
both in forgetting to take the Wolfsbane and perhaps even more in keeping
his knowledge about Sirius a secret--provided the poor outcome Dumbledore
had been expecting. The DADA curse worked as designed, by exploiting Lupin's
own character weaknesses. Thus Dumbledore accepted Lupin's resignation, as
he knew he would be doing from the beginning, without a word of protest or
any effort to change it. 


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BTW, I don't condone Snape's action, and it may have at least exacerbated
Lupin's difficulties in making a living (from his appearance on the train,
he was already having difficulties coping in that area). What I still do
wonder is not why Dumbledore allowed Lupin to resign and leave Hogwarts
without any other job prospects, but why he didn't arrange for Lupin to
keep receiving the Wolfsbane potion. I'm sure Snape wouldn't care at all if
Lupin stopped receiving it, but if Dumbledore wanted Lupin to keep getting
it, surely he could have insisted Snape keep brewing it for Lupin. After all,
Lupin did remain involved with the Order, and he had regular contact with both 
Dumbledore and Snape (as we see in OotP). So why didn't Lupin keep getting
the Wolfsbane potion?
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Julie



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