Quirrell and the dungeon - long (was: Slytherins and Werewolves)

[Lev Davidovich Bronstien]

No: HPFGUIDX 170533

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Constance Vigilance" 
<ConstanceVigilance at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Josef Djugashvili" 
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> (Josef Djugashvili? You are Stalin? I never noticed that before!)

Goddlefrood:

Not this time, no.

> CV:

> Yes, I am quite familiar with the FAQ and that particular 
> quote.

> It does not really counter my argument. First of all, 
> Dumbledore is not being truthful about Quirrell in 
> general. He claims that he has never been able to keep 
> a DADA teacher for more than a year because of the curse, 
> but Quirrell must have been a teacher - and a teacher of 
> DADA - for more than one year, and more likely for three 
> or four.

> This has been discussed before, so I won't repeat the argument 
> here.

Goddlefrood:

I have familiarity with the argument and only comment that it 
is one of the continuing mysteries of the books.

I'm also well aware that Dumbledore is often economical with the 
truth, but do not propse to repeat the reasons why. 

The Dobby matter and many more threw we poor befuddled readers, 
I'll grant you.

> CV, spinning the spinner:

> "He didn't see Quirrell's death, either. (Because Quirrell 
> didn't die there) Harry had passed out before Quirrell died (in 
> Book 7) and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last 
> chapter (when Dumbly was fibbing)."

Goddlefrood:

Here's another spin on that:

"He didn't see Quirrell's death, either (beacuse it was too early 
in book 2 to introduce the Thestrals). Harry had passed out before 
Quirrell died (later that same day, but before Harry regained 
consciousness) and was only told about it by Dumbledore (who had 
tried all hew could to save Quirrell's life, but failed) in the 
last chapter."

> CV:

> As I said, Quirrell may be dead. He may not appear in Book 7. 
> But there is no canonical or FAQ evidence (that can't be refuted) 
> that Quirrell perished in the dungeon, or anywhere in the first 
> book.

Goddlefrood:

Agreed eseentially except that Lord Voldemort also believes 
Quirrell died (possibly erroneously, I'll give you that). 

Quirrell was sadly deluded, as I've said before and it probably 
cost him his life. As I've also said before, with the exception 
of Gilderoy (who was hardly bad anyway, just a show pony), all 
the bad things in the books ultimately flow from Voldemort. Tis 
his responsibility, and his alone, that Quirrell is dead, and I 
accept he is.

Goddlefrood from the Blue House
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> ~ CV
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