Dumbledore's Fall again was Re: The twins?

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 170813

SSSusan:
> > If DD *would* have been able to have been restored to pretty much 
> > normal health by Snape, then I guess I find it hard to believe 
> > that DD wouldn't have found *some* way to have 'played' that 
> > scene on the Tower to allow that to happen.  Or do folks think 
> > that would just have been totally impossible to have pulled off 
> > under the circumstances, with all those around, and all the DEs 
> > knowing Draco's assignment?
 
Pippin:
> Well, it depends what you mean by normal. A life being constantly 
> hunted by Voldemort, having to cut yourself off from everyone
> you care about to avoid bringing them into danger,  is no life at 
> all. ("Neither can live while the other survives" )

SSSusan:
For me the key in what I was considering was normal *health,* rather 
than a 'normal life.'  DD has always struck me as someone who, while 
more open and accepting of 'the next great adventure' than many, also 
accepts that living a 'normal life' sometimes... for some people... 
entails great difficulty.  I believe he has always been willing to 
take that on, to come to others' aid, to accept burdens others would 
walk away from.

So had there been a chance that Snape's abilities could have restored 
DD to true good *health,* as opposed to just eliminating the 
immediate danger DD was in for the sake of extending his life only a 
tad bit longer, then I would still like to think that DD would have 
opted to have stuck around.  Would life be pleasant and 'normal,' in 
the sense of lazy days and few obligations or concerns?  Not for DD!  
I doubt it ever was for DD, and it surely would not have been from 
there on out.  But, unless his life was a lost cause healthwise, I 
can't believe that DD wouldn't have been *willing* to have gone on.  

He was still in the midst of teaching Harry about Voldemort, helping 
him understand horcruxes and the mighty task of finding & destroying 
them.  Harry has always been (imho, of course) gifted in some ways, 
able to do more than he believes he can do, but what happened in the 
cave surely did reinforce that DD has incredible talents, skills, 
abilities, intuitions & magical understanding that Harry simply 
cannot approach.  Think of DD's ability to sense the presence of the 
archway, of what it would take for that archway to reveal itself, of 
the presence of the boat and how it likely worked.  Harry, as would 
be most wizards his age (or perhaps of any age), is so FAR from being 
able to do that kind of thing!

I understand that if one's position is that DD *faked* his death, 
this is all a moot point. :)  But since I believe the "Severus, 
please..." was indeed an indication to Snape that he needed to take 
DD's life right then, I also believe that DD understood his life 
*was* ending, that any effort to revive him at that point was only 
going to lengthen his life a small bit.  Otherwise, I don't believe 
he'd have 'instructed' Snape to kill him; otherwise, I believe he 
*would* have thought of a way to have Snape treat him so he could 
continue to help Harry & the Order.

Or do other DDM!Snapers think I'm nuts?  Do you think that DD simply 
believed Snape's value to the effort outweighed his own from that 
point forward?  That it was truly essential for Snape to be able to 
demonstrate without doubt to those DEs present that he was on Voldy's 
side?  Or maybe... sigh... no matter whether Snape could have 
restored DD to full health or not, there just really was no way that 
DD could envision himself & Snape getting off that tower.


So back to Pippin's thoughts. :)
> The match at the  Ministry proved that Voldemort no longer saw 
> Dumbledore as invulnerable, even before his hand was injured.
> With that damaged hand, a rematch would be no contest at all.  
> Dumbledore was doomed in any case, unless Harry managed
> to destroy the horcruxes and eliminate Voldemort very quickly.
> 
> But the thing is, Dumbledore could have done something to 
> disguise his hand. Instead, he flaunted it in front of the  school 
> at the opening feast. It's like he was saying, "Nyah nyah, come and
> get me!" I think Dumbledore planned all along to fake his death
> if he could --  as Peter knew,  there simply isn't any other way 
> to evade death at Voldie's hands once he's decided to kill you. 

SSSusan:
This was the part I was curious about from you earlier -- that you do 
believe DD was doomed in any case.  It's what I have believed as 
well.  OTOH, I can't make myself believe DD faked his death, can't 
make myself believe he's still alive.  It's fascinating, the idea 
that he's flaunting his damaged hand, though.  What else *could* 
possibly be behind his not only not covering up the damaged hand but 
seemingly flaunting it about?  

Could it be he was trying to plant the idea in Harry's (and/or 
Hermione & Ron's) mind that time was TRULY short, that Harry had 
better get cracking on this because it was now or never?

Siriusly Snapey Susan,
unwisely pondering such matters before morning coffee