The Half Blood Prince (WAS Re: Unbreakable Vows)
dumbledore11214
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Thu Mar 1 21:57:10 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 165590
> --Ronin's Comments--
> My take on the UV is that Snape was backed into a corner. With
Wormtail
> listening in and Bella already suspicious of him, he didn't have
much choice
> but to accept the UV at the moment and hope to find a way out
before the
> time came to follow through. <SNIP>
Alla:
I have never understood this argument, frankly. He did not have much
choice? When Bella is clearly IMO unhappy with Cissy telling her lord
secrets? I thought at that moment Snape had a choice to tell her
**no** and that would have been it. Again JMO.
Ronin:
> There was no way that Dumbledore was going to walk away from that
tower.
> Draco had plenty of time to kill him, but was obviously scared to
death.
> With Fenrir Greyback and the others there (and Dumbledore weakened
and
> wandless), someone was going to do it eventually. Snape had to be
the one to
> do it in order to save Draco and satisfy the vow. If he'd seen the
TWO
> broomsticks, he was probably saving Harry as well. How long would
it have
> been before Greyback had caught the scent of Harry's blood? (His
injured
> arm)
Alla:
IMO, we really really don't know that Dumbledore was doomed. For all
we know, DD was hoping that Snape would cure him. And here we go,
ooops.
Ronin:
<SNIP>
He has the perfect
> opportunity to kill Harry, but doesn't even use any unforgivable or
even
> aggressive curses on him. (He could've hurt Harry permanently or at
least
> weakened him substantially without killing him if he was in fact
worried
> that Voldemort wanted to do it himself.) Instead, he tells Harry
that he
> WILL NOT use unforgivable curses on him, he will not use his own
curses
> against him (Dark Arts). He even goes so far as to stop the Death
Eaters
> behind Harry from harming him when they try to use Crucio on him.
Alla:
That is of course also can be because he is saving Harry for
Voldemort as instructed, or as OFH!Snape he is worried about his life
debt, no?
And I thought that he hurt Harry with that whiplashed curse, which
did the job quite nicely - not killing Harry, but hurting him enough
IMO.
Ronin:
> Then, in the midst of all of this, Snape is giving Harry final
instructions;
> "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your
mouth shut
> and your mind closed, Potter!" - Harry Potter and the Half Blood
Prince,
> (1st American Hard Cover Edition, pg. 603)
> <SNIP>
Alla:
Sure, it is possible OR he gloats that Harry is unable to use
Unforgivables, unable to beat him.
Ronin:
> If Snape REALLY WANTED to kill Dumbledore, he had plenty of
opportunity. He
> knew that Dumbledore was after the horcruxes because he was the
only one
> Dumbledore trusted to help him with his cursed injuries. So, if
Severus were
> truly a Death Eater, he'd have stopped Dumbledore then by simply
delaying
> his treatment or giving him the wrong treatment. (Saving his
master's
> remaining horcruxes in the process and drawing less attention to
himself)
Alla:
Do we know that he did not give him wrong treatment I wonder? DD's
arm was hurting, was it not?
DD!M Snape theorists may say that it was impossible to heal
completely, but for all I know that was exactly the story that Snape
told DD and while just delaying his death all along.
Ronin:
> Just as if he'd REALLY hated Harry, he could've just let him be
jinxed off
> his broom in the first year instead of working a counter-jinx.
Alla:
Life debt.
Ronin:
Or he
> could've been rid of the lot rather than throwing himself between
the kids
> and the werewolf/Lupin.
<BIG SNIP>
Alla:
I think that was in the movie, not in the book. Can be wrong.
JMO,
Alla
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