Snape and Dumbledore on the Tower: A Defense of Snape
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Sun Mar 4 04:00:53 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 165673
zgirnius:
If that spell was an AK, Dumbledore was dead the instant that green
jet hit him. SO why was Harry "forced" to watch the final, dramatic
movements of Dumbledore's dead body? Surely he could have reflexively
closed his eyes, at least.
Harry does not actually nove until the Death Eaters leave the Tower a
few seconds later. He attributes the delay to shock. Fair enough -
but if he was that shocked, can we really trust that he is able to
distinguish still being frozen by the spell, and being frozen with
shock?
The way the scene is written leaves the door open for an
interpretation that Dumbledore did not die instantly (and thus,
whatever it was Snape did was not a true and successful Killing
Curse.)
Nikkalmati
No one we have seen killed by an AK has been lifted up into the air and sent
flying into space. Either Snape killed him with an AK and levitated DD over
the wall and down, or SS hit DD with some other curse which levitated him
over the Tower. I cannot think of a reason why ESE!Snape would trouble to lift
up DD's body and send it over the wall. A DDM Snape, however, could have
used an AK for reasons that are still a matter of discussion.
When Harry found DD's body, it was lying at the foot of the Tower. I have
no idea how far it would have fallen (150 feet?), but the locket had fallen
out of his pocket and his glasses were askew. Harry straightened them. Now,
if DD was killed by the fall, as opposed to having been floated to the
ground, his glasses would be more than askew, it seem to me. Then why the blood
trickling out of DD's mouth? If he did not hit the ground hard, the bleeding
would not be from internal injuries. An AK does not produce bleeding. I
suppose a poison could produce internal bleeding, which means DD died at the foot
of the Tower from poison. If Harry ever discovers this, he will be
devastated. It is bad enough that he will eventually reflect that he is responsible
for DD's weakened condition and DD's consequent inability to defend himself.
The alternative explanation is that JKR has not given these details much
thought and included the blood and the glasses as touching moments without
considering their implications. Still, I keep thinking of Harry's belief as he
was chasing Snape down that if he could bring Snape and DD together, he could
reverse the events. Why was that thought of Harry's reported? If DD was
dying from the potion, certainly SS could have tried to reverse that, but he
could not have reversed an AK or death from a 150 foot fall. DD had believed
that Snape could overcome the poison because he repeatedly asked Harry to bring
him Snape when they returned from the Cave. I would almost rather that DD
died from the poison than that he conspired with Snape in his own death.
Nikkalmati (who doesn't believe that Snape murdered DD out of self-interest
or malice or loyalty to LV either).
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