The green liquid in the basin

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 165712

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> >> Carol 
> Claerly, Tom Sr.'s "sacrifice," if the memory is indeed his, didn't
> have the same effect as Lily's. I'm sure that's because, unlike 
Lily,
> he was the intended victim all along. Unlike her, he wasn't given a
> chance to "stand aside" and save himself. So Voldie could kill both
> his hated father and the "spares" with no damage to himself beyond 
a
> triply split soul, which would come in handy later when he needed 
soul
> bits for Horcruxes. So the only purpose I can see for that memory 
is
> the mental anguish it would cause the drinker, who perhaps would 
feel
> the Crucios as well as the speaker's guilt and fear.

Leah.  

That certainly makes sense in terms of sacrifice, although I wonder 
if repentence could still 'play out'. If the purpose of the memory 
is only to cause mental anguish, then again I wonder why we had to 
have the 'them'- someone pleading in terror on their own behalf 
would seem sufficient for that purpose. 
> 
>> Carol:
> I had the same thought. "I'll never do it again" might mean "I'll
> never hurt you or betray you again." It can't mean "I'll never 
desert
> your mother again." But people experiencing torture and the fear of
> death for themselves and their loved ones might not be quite 
rational

 Leah:

Yes, that's quite possible.

> Carol:
> It can't be Frank, for the same reason it can't be Regulus. Frank 
was
> tortured some time after Voldie was vaporized,(snipped)

Leah: Sorry, I didn't make myself clear there.  I was aware that 
Voldemort couldn't have put the Frank memory in the potion, for the 
very good reason you give.  The Frank theory requires a potion which 
is in itself memory free but acts to activate a foul memory of the 
drinker's.  Thus, had Harry drunk the potion, he might have relived 
the graveyard scene, though the poor lad has a few choices.  I had 
thought that perhaps DD, following the Longbottom incident, had 
tried gentle leglimancy on Frank, to try and discover what knowledge 
the Longbottoms had that the Lestrange gang wanted so badly. 
(perhaps he succeeded a little- DD did somehow know that VM was in 
Albania). Thus, DD became privy to Frank's memory torture and 
relived it in the cave.  Rather tortuous, I know.  


 
> > Leah, feeling sure that the memory belongs to someone who 
betrayed
> Voldemort, but still puzzling.
> 
> Carol:
> Agreed on all counts, but whose can it be if not Tom Sr.'s?

Leah:

I want to make some connection between the memory and the children 
in the cave, Amy Benson and Dennis Bishop, but can't get there. 

Thanks for the response

Leah