CHAPDISC: HBP30, The White Tomb

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 165790

> zgirnius:
> This depends on *why* she always defended Snape. She typically used 
> Dumbledore's trust and greater knowledge of the facts to argue her 
> position against Ron, the usual bad Snape advocate. If she has 
looked 
> at the same facts the DDM! types around here have looked at and 
drew 
> the same conclusions, this is a sensible reason to take a second 
> look. She does know of three occasions when Snape went out of his 
way 
> to try and save Harry. She may also know of his involvement with 
> healing Dumbledore. These are all actions inconsistent with the 
idea 
> he is and has always been a loyal Death Eater.
>

a_svirn:
But we are not discussing whether he was or wasn't a loyal death 
eater. For all she knows he could have been as disloyal to Voldemort 
as he was to Dumbledore. Point is as far as she knows, he *was* 
disloyal to Dumbledore. To anyone, but hardened DDM!Snaper murder 
must look like an act of ultimate disloyalty (besides being evil in 
itself.) And although Hermione often took his side against Ron and 
Harry, I don't think she is that hardened
 She has every reason to 
dislike the man. 

> zgirnius:
> Even in Harry's version, the one she heard, this is supposed to be 
> something he regretted. 

a_svirn:
Yes, but we can easily dismiss any notion of remorse now, can we not? 
Even if it was genuine, obviously it wasn't enough to prevent him 
from committing a murder. 

> zgirnius:
> Did Harry share his Pensieve memories of GoF with her and Ron? My 
> book is not in Florida with me. If he did, she knows something made 
> Dumbledore trust Snape before the Potters died.

a_svirn:
If you mean the phrase about "great personal risk" we know now that 
he has a way to minimise any risks involved at the expense of other 
people lives. 
 
> zgirnius:
<snip> 
> Minor point, she does not know what Snape Vowed. Just that a UV 
with 
> Cissy was made. The contents of the Vow were not overheard by Harry 
> as Snape did not mention them.

a_svirn:
But she knows it now. She can piece together what Harry overheard and 
what happened on the tower. OK, she doesn't know that he vowed to 
kill Dumbledore with his own hand, if Draco failed to do so, but she 
knows that he vowed to help Draco in his task. Which is even worse, 
actually. 

> zgirnius:
> I don't think she would be thinking in terms of DDM!, but she might 
> be seeing the possibility of Weak!Snape, anyway. There is enough 
> there in my view to suggest he's not Voldemort's man.

a_svirn:
Can't one be an evil murderer without being a Voldemort's man? Point 
is does Hermione have any reason to doubt that Snape did indeed kill 
Dumbledore? Does she have any reason to believe that he did it "for 
the Greater Good?" And last, but not the least, is their any reason 
why she would *want* to believe any such thing? Apart from having 
always taken his side in the past, that is?