Dumbledore as a judge of character (Was:Why DD did not ask Snape to kill him

[colebiancardi]

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> "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > So where and when has Dumbledore 
> > been wrong as a judge of character?
> 
eggplant107 wrote:

> Well, among other things:
> 
> 1) Hiring Quirrell 
> 2) Hiring Lockhart
> 3) Hiring the fake Mad Eye.
> 4) Trusting Snape (probably, we'll know for sure on July 21) 
> 

colebiancardi:

1.  Quirell was, if I am not mistaken, on a leave of absence for a
year and had been the DADA teacher the year before that.  It seems
that he was OK until he came back with VaporMort attached to him and
it then became (cough, cough) problematic.

Hagrid states in PS/SS Am Ed Hardcover, pg 70-71 "Oh yeah.  Poor
bloke.  Brilliant mind.  He was fine while he was studyin' outta books
but then he took a year off ter get some first-hand experience...They
say he met vampires in the Black Forest, and there was a nasty bit o'
trouble with a hag -- never been the same since.  Scared of the
students, scared of his own subject --"

2. Lockhart - not going to argue with this one.  Lockhart's one talent
was Memory Charms & that could have clouded DD's judgement, as it is
hard to check up on someone's creds if everyone is befuddled.  I
believe DD was scraping the bottom of the barrel with Lockhart.

3.  Mad-Eye.  DD hired the real Mad-Eye, not the Fake one.   Barty
explains all in GoF, Am Ed hardcover p687-689
"She {Bertha} told him the old Auror, Moody, was going to teach at
Hogwarts...<snipping>  My Master conceived a plan, based upon the
information Bertha had given me.  He needed me.  He arrived at our
house near midnight...<snipping>  Wormtail & I did it.  We had
prepared the Polyjuice potion beforehand.  We journeyed to his house.
 Moody put up a struggle.  There was a commotion.  We managed to
subdue him just in time."

4.  Snape - well we will have to agree to disagree.  Snape has proven
his trustworthness to DD throughout the series.  And since I believe
that DD asked Snape to release him from the ring curse which had been
killing him all year long, I think that Snape was trustworthy in that
respect as well.


> "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> > Snape sent the Order to rescue Harry 
> > from the Death Eaters. 
> 
eggplant wrote:
> Snape told the Order that Harry talked about Padfoot, but only after
> he had been captured by Umbridge and he figured (incorrectly) that
> information was no longer of any value.
> 
colebiancardi:

well, of course - Harry didn't think of Snape UNTIL AFTER he was
captured by Umbridge.  And I am not sure what "he figured
(incorrectly) that information was no longer of any value." this
means.  I don't know who "he is" and why "he" figured incorrectly
 

>From OotP, Am Ed, hardcover p. 743:
"He {Harry} had just realized something; he could not believe he had
been so stupid as to forget it.  He had thought that all the members
of the Order, all those who could help him save Sirius, were gone --
but he had been wrong.  There was still a member of the Order of the
Phoenix at Hogwarts - Snape"


> "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> > he [Dumbledore] withholds information 
> > only because Harry is too young 
> 
eggplant wrote:
> And Dumbledore himself admits that was a HUGE error in judgment, an
> error that caused the death of Sirius Black.
> 

colebiancardi: 
huh?  I don't remember that error was the cause of the death of
Sirius.  DD does state that it is almost entirely his(DD) fault, but I
am not sure I would go as far as stating that it was a HUGE error in
judgement  - but I could be wrong.  I don't remember reading DD
stating that exact quote

 

colebiancardi(who messed up with her 1st 2 posts, deleted them, and
totally lost everything and had to rewrite all over again!)