[HPforGrownups] DD's judgment WAS: Hermione and 'Evil is a strong word'

[Ronin_47]

No: HPFGUIDX 165988

--Alla Wrote--
>>>Sure, I agree - everybody is free to trust DD judgment about Snape. I 
guess to me it is the question of , I don't know, the most 
straightforward interpretation again, which can be wrong of course?

I mean, it is like saying ( to me of course) that when person drops 
dead - there are 100 interpretations of that event possible.

I just disagree with that. To me the most ** obvious** interpretation 
of that is that person is just that - **dead**.

Now, sure there are could be circumstances casting that event in the 
different light ( DD giving Snape the order to kill him seems to be 
the most common one), but I don't know - isn't what we saw was the 
man who DD trusted **killing** him?

Sure, JKR can pull a rug in book 7, but DD is dead, no?

I mean, yeah, as I said everybody can trust DD still, I just do not 
see **why**, if that makes sense, unless of course additional info 
becomes available in book 7.

Oh, say for example DD would keep saying that Tom Riddle should be 
trusted and Tommy dear kills DD and DD would not disclose to us the 
reason.

Would you still say that DD judgment is sound or would you say that 
DD got hoodwinked and badly ?<<<
 
 
 
--Ronin's Comments--
That's great. I can see that most people might choose to believe what they
do about events based on what we read about the tower. And I can't hold that
against anyone. It's just when someone tries to state their opinion as
absolute fact and in an arrogant way that I have a problem. As we've both
said, we won't know until book 7 if at all.
 
As for interpretations of the events, it is a fact that people will
interpret the same information differently. There've been studies and it's
proven. I.E. 7 people see a man in a blue shirt with a baseball cap on and
sunglasses snatch an old lady's purse and kick a dog. Every one of those
people would recount the events and the description of the man differently.
This is why police usually try to interview as many witnesses as possible,
in order to piece together the actual events. 4 of the people said he was
wearing a blue shirt, one said it was purple. Five people said he wore
sunglasses, two said they were reading glasses. Six people saw him kick the
dog, but only two saw him snatch the purse, etc. And so, the story is pieced
together.
 
Also, Hermione wasn't even an eye witness. The only people who were actually
there were Snape, Draco, The DEs, Dumbledore and Harry. DD is dead and the
only person left to give an account of what happened was Harry. Everyone
already knows that Harry sees things his own way when it comes to Snape. So,
his story or evidence is tainted. He cannot be objective because he's
already emotionally subjective. Hermione knows this, Lupin knows this...they
all know this. 
 
We know what we saw on the tower, but we also have to take into account
events and information that we've gathered from before and after the event.
So, we end up with various theories and differences of opinion. It seems we
have a puzzle on our hands and we are missing a key piece. None of our
theories have been proven or disproved yet. We know what we saw on the tower
and the events we were allowed to glimpse leading up to it. We know the
basic who, what, when & where but we're missing the crucial WHY. 
I have no doubt that if a trial were held given the facts we have seen,
Snape would be found guilty of murdering Dumbledore. However, I don't think
this has anything to do with Dumbledore's judgment or Hermione's trust in
that judgment. Until we KNOW the WHY. This can be a very gray area as it is
a war. In war, sacrifices are sometimes required, decisions are made and
orders carried out for the good of the cause and not the individual. We
weren't meant to understand the WHY yet. That is left for DH. But this is
the reason I am on the side of trusting Dumbledore's judgment.
 
I don't think your Tom Riddle analogy really fits here. I mean, Tom Riddle
DID come to  call at Hogwarts for the DADA position and was twice turned
away. Dumbledore advised Dippet against it and then flatly declined Tom the
second time, knowing that he had other motives. So, if anything this
supports Dumbledore's good judgment of character. Dumbledore was already
suspicious of Tom's character when he discovered the stolen items at the
orphanage and heard the stories about his questionable behavior towards the
other children. All of the other teachers thought highly of Tom, but
Dumbledore never trusted him. Look how Tom turned out. He had everyone else
fooled except for Dumbledore.
 
Again, I may be wrong or we may both be wrong for that matter. But when I
read and re-read HBP, I find myself asking WHY about so many things during
the tower scene as well as the Flight of the Prince. Harry never does this
because he thinks he has all the answers already. He thinks Snape is evil
from the second he sees him. Just as he instantly begs the sorting hat to
sort him into any house but Slytherin because of one encounter with Draco
Malfoy (Before Draco has even been sorted into Slytherin himself).
 
This is not meant to be a debate of who's right and who's wrong. I'm only
trying to give you my point of view on the subject so that you can
understand how I reach MY conclusion. I wouldn't say I've been hoodwinked if
it turns out that Snape is truly evil, just that one of my many theories was
wrong.
But if I turn out to be right, "neener, neener, neener...I told you so". lol

Just kidding.
 
Oh.  Whoever said the bit about Hermione meeting the troll in the girls
bathroom. I believe she arranged the meeting and when Ron and Harry
discovered her, she made it out to be an attack to avoid suspicion. I
haven't decided yet if the meeting was for her covert DE operations or of a
romantic purpose, but I'm sure she's up to no good either way. lol
(I'll assume you know this is a joke)
 
Cheers,
Ronin


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