[HPforGrownups] Re: Percy

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 166052

> "hickengruendler" Wrote:
>
> > There is nothing in the text that suggests,
> > that Harry ahould have been sent to Azkaban
>
> eggplant replied:  Oh I think I can find a thing or two to suggest Harry was on the
> razor's edge of being sent to Azkaban. From the book:
>
> "How was he supposed to refuse to surrender his wand without doing
> magic? He'd have to duel with the Ministry representatives, and if he
> did that, he'd be lucky to escape Azkaban, let alone expulsion."
>
> Or perhaps you'd like this quote:
>
> "Would the matter of where he went next be decided for him? Had his
> breach of the International Statute of Secrecy been severe enough to
> land him in a cell in Azkaban? Whenever this thought occurred, Harry
> invariably slid off his bed and began pacing again."

Kemper now:
That is a great quote of Harry's barely 15-year-old perspective.  At
this point in time he is only personally aware of Sirius and Hagrid
stint in Azkaban.

Sirius, wrongly accused, does not attempt to defend himself accepting
Azkaban as a personal punishment.  Hagrid was thought to be involved
with killing Myrtle and unleashing Salazar Slytherin's monster 50
years later which resulted in some scariness in Harry's second year.

... Stan Updike's seemingly wrongful imprisonment of being a Death
Eater (someone who supports murder, torture and violations of privacy)
hasn't happened yet...

Harry performed a corporeal Patronus.  The Patronus did not kill 15 or
however many Muggles as Sirius was suppose to have killed.  Nor did it
petrify Dudley or anyone else.  Dudley didn't even see it, iirc.

Harry also performed a nonverbal 'lumos', or so it seemed.  And while
technically in the presence of a Muggle, it's a spell that's hella not
scary nor violent


> eggplant: And then there is the fact that Harry was judged by the FULL
> Wizardmon, something that has not happened in many years, something I
> do no believe a overdue library book would merit, something Author
> Weasley was flabbergasted to discover.

Kemper now:
I can see where a FULL court could lead one to believe that Harry was
in jeopardy of Azkaban.  But my impression of the scene, is that Fudge
is trying to get Harry expelled from attending Hogwarts, to shut him
up from telling tales of Voldemort's return.  This seems to be true as
Umbridge attempts shutting him up as well.  She was following Fudges
example, to a vile degree, bleeding the boy with lines of 'I must not
tell lies'.

> eggplant: And in all that time there was
> Percy, smugly taking notes. Yes, evil is a strong word, but I believe
> Percy is evil. We will learn if I am right or wrong on July 21.

Kemper now:
Evil?  Really?  Cold evil like Voldemort?  Or crazy evil like Bellatrix?
Or questionable evil like Snape?
Does anyone know of any online gaming odds yet?  Because I'll bet my
knuts that Percy isn't evil.

> unattributed quote:
> > you would think, that if the plan was to
> > throw him into prison, they would have
> > mentioned it during the Hearing.
>
> eggplant: Yes you would think so, that would be the logical thing, but consider,
> in the American system of "justice" jurors are expected to pretend
> they don't know what the ultimate penalty for murder is. It's only
> after he is found guilty of murder are you supposed to start thinking
> about whether he should live or die. It's all nonsense of course,
> almost as stupid as Wizard law.
>

Kemper now:
While you will have no fights with me about the death penalty, I don't
think JKR is considering the American justice system.

I don't think Wizard Law is stupid.  It's the enforcers or
interpreters of the Wizard Law that may be stupid.  Much like the some
enforcers or interpreters of American Laws.

Kemper, thinking he may be aligned with eggplant's politics but not
eggplant's Potter thoughts