Hagrid and Draco WAS:Re: Dumbledore as a judge of character/ Trelawney and Snape

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 166134

> Magpie:
> After six books of very consistent Hagrid, I just can't conceive of 
> how he would become a significantly better teacher if he hadn't had 
> a run-in with the Malfoys in PoA and if only he'd had a mentor. 
He'd 
> be different if everything was different, but so would everyone. 

Alla:

I absolutely can conceive of that happening. That is no guarantee, 
for sure, but what I had saw on that lesson was Hagrid being 
enthusiastic and genuinely wanting to teach ( mistakes and all), I do 
see him losing his enthusiasm **after** that lesson. I think it is 
conceivable that it influenced him that much.

If what Luna said was before that lesson, I would have given it more 
weight, but for all I know that lesson indeed traumatised Hagrid that 
badly that he gave up.

Should he gave up that fast? Of course not IMO. Should he let 
Malfoy's family to get under his skin that much? Not IMO again and 
maybe indeed that means that he does not have a stamina to be a 
teacher in Hogwarts, but that does not mean that what Malfoys did did 
not hurt Hagrid a lot. IMO.


Magpie:
> I don't see self-confidence as always being a problem with Hagrid, 
> though where it is it's in a way that's consistent since Book I. It 
> was bad luck for him that the student that got injured had a parent 
> who would want the animal destroyed)

Alla:

I think bad luck for Hagrid was that said student came to the lesson 
from the start with the intent to sabotage that lesson.

I think bad luck for Hagrid was that said student was erm 
exaggerating his injury for whole year to help Lucius make sure that 
Hagrid will be fired and Buckbeak as you said destroyed.


Magpie:
(I don't think Draco's milking 
> of the incident mattered to him one way or the other--I think most 
> of the kids there were far more influenced by what they saw than 
> anything else), but years later it's Draco whose behavior has 
> directly changed due to what actually happened. He's still 
> insulting, but he's also jumpy and makes sure to listen to 
> everything Hagrid says--Hagrid won, after all, didn't he?

Alla:

Um, Draco's milking accident did not matter to Hagrid? And I am not 
sure Hagrid knows that he as you said, won. Damage IMO is done.


Magpie:
 In the end 
> the message certainly was, just as it was to Draco in first year, 
> that if he doesn't like something Hagrid's doing he's going to have 
> to just deal.
> <SNIP>

Alla:

Um, certainly if he is not injured enough to warrant the death of 
animal and the firing of the teacher, he should just **deal** and not 
behave as he did. I agree with that.

JMO,

Alla