Hagrid the animal abuser (was:Hagrid and Draco WAS:Re: Dumbledore...

[phoenixgod2000]

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> Betsy Hp:
> I *am* taking a hard line, I agree.

Phoenixgod2000

Death to Hagrid but all the breaks in the world for Draco :)

I love this forum ;)

  Is it too hard for the books?  
> As Magpie and houyhnhnm pointed out, it's hard to tell.  Which is 
> actually fairly normal when it comes to Hagrid, honestly.  At 
least, 
> IMO.  On the one hand, kids absolutely love his character, and 
he's 
> totally loyal to Harry.  On the other hand, he's a bigot,

He's a lot less bigoted than say Snape or Draco. He doesn't like the 
Slytherin House all that much but I don't recall him singling out 
Slytherins in his class the way Snape does. I would use the term 
mild dislike.


 a pretty 
> hard drinker (how often do the Trio come across him while he's in 
his 
> cups

Wasn't it only about twice, after hours in his own cabin at the edge 
of the school grounds?


> Of course, I absolutely reject the idea that Hagrid was doing just 
> fine and Draco screwed everything up for him.  The insanity of 
> bringing *twelve* highly dangerous beasts to intermingle with 
> children (and the children were all intermingling with the 
> hippogriffs at once) was mind-boggling to me. 

I could never quite understand the hate that so many characters have 
for Hagrid. He pretty much does everything that I was taught good 
teachers do in my credential classes.  Hands on work, interesting 
examples, the chance to do something real instead of theoretical, I 
think his class sounds like loads of fun.

His class is dangerous, but no more so than upper level Defense 
classes or Snape's Potion class. Working with chemicals and acids 
which when improperly (or properly) mixed can melt the Cauldrons and 
desks and probably students are at least as dangerous as Hagrids 
class. And every student in that class was specifically given 
instructions on what to do and what not to do.  Draco disobeyed 
willfully because he was disrespectful to Hagrid and was injured 
because of it. Certainly a more conscious decision than Neville 
messing up in potions and creating something potentially lethal.  
Yet you don't blame Snape for bring such dangerous ingredients to 
class.

Every class in Hogwarts is hands on, dangerous, and relies on 
Students doing what their teacher tells them. Hagrid told them what 
to do, Harry did it and was fine, Draco didn't and was hurt.

Ironically, the hippogriff, IIRC, was one of the most successful of 
Hagrids classes. I recall the students being pretty thrilled about 
the beast after Harry was able to ride one.  I could be wrong of 
course, (shrug) its been a long time since I read PoA.

  No wonder no ones takes 
> CoMC unless they absolutely have to.  (Including Harry, Ron and 
> Hermione.)

Haven't they used the knowledge Hagrid taught them repeatedly in the 
books?  Seems like for a bad teacher his lessons get dusted off more 
than once in the series.  I just think the students are outgrowing 
him, the way you outgrow a favorite babysitter and it doesn't say 
anything about him.

On a side note, as much as I love the character of Luna I was never  
more disappointed than when she spoke badly about Hagrid. I would 
have guessed if anyone outside the Trio would have liked the big guy 
it would have been her.  It almost seemed OOC for she of the 
perpetually open mind to dislike Hagrid.

phoenixgod2000, who has the ultimate question: In a Sarcasm contest, 
who would win, Snape or Dr. House (awesome tv character for those 
who don't know who he is)?

Inquiring minds want to know!