Fawkes possible absence (was: Magical animals in canon/ Fawkes and Snape)
Dana
ida3 at planet.nl
Mon Mar 19 21:21:02 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 166281
>> Hickengruendler:
>> <snip>
>> Fawkes also wasn't at the DoM and neither was he in the Chamber of Secrets. Didn't stop him to arrive as quickly as possible once Dumbledore and Harry needed him. Note that Harry didn't even have to summon him. Fawkes arrived simply, because Harry showed loyalty to Dumbledore. This Phoenix seems to be incredibily fast. And then he shouldn't make it on the tower to save Dumbledore in time, because he just wasn't there? <<
Dana:
I am not saying I am right, it is just a thought because to me it
takes an awful long time for Fawkes to start singing after DD died. I
am just wondering if this is because Fawkes was not actually there
and because he was doing something DD would consider more important
and he would not have summoned him.
>> Hickengruendler:
>> <snip>
>> See, this doesn't make any sense. Dumbledore tried everything to *keep* trelawney in Hogwarts to have her save. So why should he want to transport her out of the castle, now. Hogwarts is still one of the safest places in the Wizarding World, if not the safest. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore and the castle generally is well protected.
>> Yes, it isn't infallible as we saw several times, but it is still safer than the Hog's Head or any other place. And if Dumbledore didn't expect to die that night (as you vehemently argued in your posts), than it makes even less sense, to have Trelawney transported away from his watchful eyes. <<
Dana:
I never argued that DD would not consider it a possibility he could
die that night, just that he did not *plan* on it or to *have* Snape
do it. I think there is a difference.
Maybe I should have clarified this more specifically. I think LV never changed his mind about getting the prophecy but I initially thought he would make a second run for Hogwarts to get to her. But then Jen's possible plan made me think she might be right that Draco's murder attempt was a distraction to get to the real prize (or one of them): Trelawney. And I am wondering if DD realised this the moment Harry mentioned seeing her at the RoR. That it wasn't about him but about her.
I am not saying Fawkes brought Trelawney to DD's brother, I do not
think DD would hide her away on his own doorstep. But he could have
notified his brother about it or about the situation at the same time, as we have been told by JKR that DD's family would be a profitable line of inquiry.
JK: "Dumbledore's family would be a profitable line of inquiry."
Source: www.accio-quite.org
It is pure speculation and there is no canon evidence for it.
Hogwarts is no longer safe without DD and I am still convinced that
DD would never risk LV getting his hands on the prophecy by letting
himself get killed. Harry would lose his advantage over LV and it
would never be worth the risk. Sorry to get off topic but just to
clarify why I was thinking this in relation to Fawkes possible
absence.
Dana
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