Fawkes possible absence (was: Magical animals in canon/ Fawkes and Snape)

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 166311

Carol:
<snip>
> There's also, of course, the Draco plot, which, if it fails, will
> bring revenge against Lucius Malfoy for failing to retrieve the
> Prophecy, and if it succeeds, will kill Dumbledore, the biggest
> obstacle to capturing and killing Harry Potter.
<snip>

Dana:
Was DD really the biggest obstacle to capture and kill Harry? In
PS/SS he faces Voldemort alone, in CoS he faces Voldemort alone
(even if Fawkes helps), in GoF he faces Voldemort alone. The only
time DD actively prevents LV from killing Harry is in OotP. The
things that help Harry during these events are not dependent on DD's
presence and I do not think with DD out of the way he is stripped of
this help either.

Carol:
> While Voldemort may not have forgotten about the Prophecy, and may
> well be planning to kidnap Trelawney in DH, it no longer seems to
> be a major concern. He seems to be doing the best (or should I say,
> worst) he can without it.
<snip>

Dana:
Well, I do not believe it is no longer a major concern because he
still has not figured out how to kill the kid, as even possession did
not work.

Carol:
> Regarding Fawkes, I've already explained why I think he was absent
> from the tower: Dumbledore didn't summon him. And he's probably
> absent from the funeral because he's already sung his own lament;
> human rituals are meaningless to him.
<snip>

Dana:
Personally, I still see a possibility for DD to ask Fawkes to be on
alert, but not for himself or Harry (DD understands perfectly well
that LV would not allow any DE to touch Harry), but to get Trelawney
out if there is any indication someone tried to get to her. It is
just a thought. I was not talking about his absence from the funeral.


Carol:
> I do think he'll play a role in DH, but it will have nothing to do
> with a bit player like Trelawney. I think that, as he's always
> done, he'll empathize with and help Harry, who, after all, has a
> Fawkes tail feather in his wand.
<snip>

Dana:
You might consider her a bit player but she is as important to LV as
the orb was and the Order did everything to protect that and
Trelawney was at that time still safe at Hogwarts. I don't think
Fawkes, if he shows up in DH, will actively try to protect her, I
agree but that doesn't mean he hasn't already done so. One does not
exclude the other.


Carol:
> (That Voldemort also does is, I think, irrelevant to Fawkes, whose
> fire symbolism and red and gold coloring associate him with
> Gryffindor.)
<snip>

Dana:
Personally I think it is relevant because was it really Harry the
wand chose or did it, like the hat, choose Harry because of the link
he shares with LV?


> Carol, thinking that if Snape were a phoenix, his colors would be
> silver and green
<snip>

Dana, thinking If Snape where a phoenix, he wouldn't be such a cry
baby about being tricked at age 16 and still holding a grudge 20
years later because maybe he could have died. He would have just
turned in to a phoenix and Lupin would not have been a threat.