Umbridgitis in the MoM (Was:A Postscript )

[Goddlefrood]

No: HPFGUIDX 166483

> > Nikkalmati earlier:

> > If Madam Bones is  acting as  the prosecutor, she would 
ask questions but she would presumably not vote, but  the rest 
of the Wizengamot could and would vote in its capacity as 
council to  the executive.  Fudge acted as Chairman.  Although 
there were  three interrogators, I suspect Fudge could allow 
others to ask questions, if  they wanted.

Goddlefrood:

As I suggested in the dim and distant past ;) Madam Bones's
role during the course of the proceedings against Harry was as
legal adviser. My reasons are contained in the thread further
up, and I'm not about to repeat them here :). I also 
apprehended that she did vote, again for reasons set out 
earlier.

Went through the mechanisms of Harry;s trial in some detail 
actually, which you may have overlooked ;) in this response 
(not talking to Carol here)

But now am here. The points on the matters in GoF are that 
they do, as suggested elsewhere upthread seem different from 
Harry's trial. I had not addressed them very fully, but 
commend the view expressed upthread by another, that they 
were, barring Karkaroff's, in their nature sentencing 
hearings.

Fudge has now received his comeuppance IMHO and little further
part will be played by him.

The six-gilled shark is a very different matter. I did not 
address her functions in OotP in my divination piece of a few
days ago, but seee a need for a little clarification here.


> Carol

> It seems to me that Madam Bones does her best under the 
circumstances to ensure a fair examination of the evidence 
and he witnesses. 

Goddlefrood:

She did, and I'm glad my points were appreciated earlier.

> Carol

> Only a few members of the Wizengamot seem to be intimidated 
by Umbridge, laughing sycophantically when she says, "So silly 
of me. But it sounded for a teensy minute as though you were 
suggesting that the Ministry of Magic had ordered an attack on 
this  boy!" (147). 

Goddlefrood:

This shows to me that all the machinations made by the six-gilled
shark, with or without Fudge's intervention, failed. She was 
unable to swing matters against Harry (throughout the book 
really) and her experience with the centaurs is hopefully but 
a taste of things to come for this despicable witch (that 
happily has a double meaning in this instance).


> Carol:

> Fudge, with his kindliness but not his pomposity restored 
(and his job, of course, given to Scrimgeour). He has obeyed 
Dumbledore's order (and it is an order) to remove Dolores
Umbridge from Hogwarts (OoP 818). Unfortunately, Umbridge is 
not removed from the Ministry.

Goddlefrood:

This cosy existence she is leading must be and will be stopped.
JKR has promised torture and I look forward to it ;)

> Carol wondering whether anyone else sees the insidious 
influence of Dolores Umbridge as the reason for the alteration 
in Fudge.

Goddlefrood:

It would certainly make an interesting analysis. I would 
conclude that she did, but without wishing to go too much 
further into it just now. I, for one, have had too much time 
in the company of the six-gilled shark for my tastes for one 
week, although perhaps further material will appear here later 
to take our minds from the duplicitous one again.

One other point, although not raised by Carol, is that the 
hearing in OotP has no relation to the American Justice 
system, except insofar as that system is the child of the 
original, as indeed is the Star Chamber referred by Nikalmati 
previously (she referred to the original's child that is).

By the way I have a little proposal for a new Snape acronym, 
an addition to one not taken earlier. It is:

S.L.A.N.O.B.A.N.T.S.I.T.S.

That is Snape looking after number one but also number two 
in there somewhere ;)

No further expansion as this is neither the time  nor the 
place for me to do so. A little weary of Severus just now.

Goddlefrood, without malice :) and saying you are all aware 
of what taking umbrage means? If not, try this:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/wotd/wotd.pl?word=umbrage