LV's reasons for showing at the DoM (was: Snape as Neville's teacher)

[Dana]

No: HPFGUIDX 168609

> houyhnhnm:
> 
> The second occasion was right before Dumbldeore made 
> his escape from the unconscious Fudge and Umbridge in OotP27.

Dana:
Could you point out the first? Because the incident you are referring 
to is the first. Him seeing Arthur being bitten is not LV entering 
Harry's head but Harry wondering so far into LV's that Harry is 
within Nagini at the same time and this incident causes LV to became 
aware of the connection and why he is checking it out the moment 
Harry is in DD's office. 

houyhnhnm:
> 
> I'm having a little trouble understanding that statement.  
> Are you saying that there were people *not* at the MoM 
> who knew what Dumbledore was up to that night?  Who are they?
> 
> I'd say it's much more likely that Snape is the only one 
> not present at the MoM who *did* know of Dumbldedore's 
> whereabouts and actions.  I think it probable that Snape 
> and Dumbledore were in regular communication during DD's 
> absence from Hogwarts.  How else did the Pensieve get back 
> inside the cabinet in Dumbledore's office, which was barred 
> to all except the rightful headmaster?

Dana:
If Snape knew what DD was up to and where he was and could 
communicate with DD directly, then why did he need Sirius to stay 
behind to wait for DD to fill him in? He could have done that himself.

Snape is the only one that doesn't know that DD arrived at the DoM 
besides LV because all the other DEs, the kids and the Order Members 
SEE DD arrive. So if LV was witnessing the ordeal to Harry's scar 
link then he would have known DD was there rounding up his DEs and LV 
would have known all was lost and he would also know that he could 
not be able to get to Harry (in an attempt to kill him) when DD is 
present there so he would never have shown up. 

And if LV did not know when Harry showed up at the DoM then he would 
not know that his DEs messed it up for him to come there himself and 
have a look what is taking them so long, because for all he knows it 
could have taken Harry forever to show up there. So to me his 
reason's for showing up there is because he knows when Harry went to 
the DoM, how long his DEs already had been busy with him and him 
knowing the Order could mess it up even further and why he comes in 
to try to safe what is left of his months of careful planning himself 
but he wouldn't have done so if he knew DD was there because there 
would have been nothing to safe. 

houyhnhnm:
> The second clause in your statement strikes me as an 
> elegant solution to the question of why Voldemort showed 
> up at the Ministry when he did.  Bringing Snape into it 
> smacks of multiplying entities without necessity.

Dana:
Again if LV did not know how long it took Harry to show up at the DoM 
then he would not know how long his DEs had been dealing with Harry 
and there would have been no reason for him to suspect things had 
gone wrong. How does LV know Harry was even able to get there? So how 
does LV know his DEs are thwarted by Harry Potter again? Unless he 
had been told (about when Harry left and the Order being able to 
intervene with the plan) and the only one who had the time to tell 
him anything and knew about the plan outside of his DEs is Snape. 

There are no other outside resources available. If he hadn't known 
anything then he would have read about it in the morning paper and he 
certainly would not have shown up to see what is going on without 
even knowing Harry was there and as I stated in a separate post LV 
could not risk taking a peak in Harry's mind because that would risk 
the entire operation if Harry feels LV has shifted his focus back on 
Harry and is no longer busy tormenting Sirius. 

Sure his DEs would probably have given up waiting when the sun came 
up but as we see Harry is already in DD's office when that happens. 
Personally I do not believe LV would leave months of careful planning 
up to so much chance and not order Snape to keep an eye on Harry and 
tell him when Harry took of to the DoM, just like it was Snape's duty 
to keep an eye on Harry from the Order's side but we hear such a lame 
excuse why Snape did not act out sooner. He knew as DD tells us that 
Harry was in the Forest with Umbridge and therefore I believe Snape 
did see Harry take off and if Snape didn't know and LV witnessed it 
all through Harry or legilimenced it out of Harry then why did Snape 
move up in ranks and isn't he dead for alerting the Order?  

JMHO

Dana