Hagrid and Draco WAS: On Moral Compasses (was:Re: Snape as Neville's teacher...)

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> Alla:
> Ugh, if I were Hagrid, Draco would have gotten from me nice long 
detention 
> for a year for not listening to safety instructions. Right after 
he comes 
> back from hospital wing that is. Maybe that would have taught him 
something. 
> Forbidden Forest 365 days a year.
>


> Magpie:
> If Hagrid did that I would hope the Slytherins in his classes 
would make him 
> very sorry he did. Once everyone stopped laughing about Hagrid 
punishing 
> anyone else for not paying enough attention to safety precautions.


Alla:

Really? I mean, obviously the length of the detention ( 365 days a 
year) was an exaggeration. But do you think Malfoy should have been 
punished **at all**? For not listening to safety instructions, I 
mean? By all means together with other Slytherins he was laughing 
with? Or should he just had been let do as he did. Maybe that would 
have stopped him from participating in this disgusting ploy of 
having Buckbeak executed and Hagrid fired, IMO.

At least every Saturday in the Forbidding forest would have been 
nice if you ask me. But Hagrid is too nice for his own good.


> >> Jadon:
> > Hagrid treats Draco badly just as Snape treats Harry/
> >> Neville badly.
> > <SNIP of the whole post>
> >
> >
> > Alla:
> >
> > I snipped your whole post, because I only would like to ask for
> > examples of Hagrid treating Draco **just as badly** as Snape 
treats
> > Harry and Neville.
> <snip>
> 
> Jadon:
> I didn't say *as badly* - but he shows a general lack of respect 
for  
> Draco. 


Alla:

Sorry, I thought "treats Draco badly just as Snape treats 
Harry/Neville badly" equals "just as badly". Obviosly I 
misunderstood.


Jadon:
A pre-PoA example is the detention in the Forest in PS  
> ("Harry, you go with Fang an' this idiot"). Draco provokes him by  
> whining - specifically the sort of thing likely to annoy Hagrid - 
but  
> Neville provokes Snape through incompetence and Harry 
by 'existing',  
> to reverse the situation in chapter 28 of OotP.
> You'd think Hagrid might stick up for Draco like he sticks up for  
> Snape (if just professionally), but he lets HRH abuse him in his  
> presence and occasionally joins in:
> 
> "Well, I don' blame yeh fer tryin' ter curse him, Ron," said Hagrid
> loudly over the thuds of more slugs hitting the basin. "Bu' maybe 
it
> was a good thing yer wand backfired. 'Spect Lucius Malfoy
> would've come marchin' up ter school if yeh'd cursed his son. Least
> yer not in trouble."
> --CoS
> 
> Here Hagrid doesn't care at all what happens to Draco and is  
> dismissive of Lucius Malfoy - the only thing that matter's is 
that  
> Ron's not in trouble.

Alla:

Sure, Hagrid does not like Draco. Maybe he heard Draco's opinion of 
him in PS/SS before he met him? But Hagrid personally does not do 
anything to him, no?

I do not believe that Draco coming to school and making disaparaging 
remarks about person he never met before as far as we know provokes 
any level of respect from this person.

But sure, it is a good example that Hagrid lets his dislike show. He 
should not have do it, Hagrid I mean. I believe that Malfoy deserves 
every ounce of disrespect from Hagrid, but teacher should not, 
should not show it in my view.


 
> > Alla:
> > Draco comes to that famous lesson
> > determined not to listen to that big oaf
> 
> Jadon:
> Draco makes himself difficult to defend because he goes out of 
his  
> way to annoy people. But might not the Harry-filter have something 
to  
> do with it? So that when Hagrid is mean to a Slytherin Harry  
> dislikes, Harry sides with Hagrid's reasons for it - when Snape 
is  
> mean to a Gryffindor, Harry sticks up for them because they're 
his  
> friends and he hates Snape?
>

Alla:

No, I do not think so. I mean, only if you believe that Harry filter 
reports what happens incorrectly, because I do not. If you believe 
that Malfoy really was listening and was not talking, then sure.

And objectively, my reasons for buying Hagrid reasons of disliking 
Malfoy and condemning Snape for doing what he did to Harry and 
Neville had nothing to do with Harry filter.

Objectively, I despise Malfoy for putting down person he never met, 
for ofering his hand to Harry and at the same time putting down 
Weasleys, for participating in the plot of getting Bucky executed 
and Hagrid fired, for coming to Trio compartment on the train and 
running his mouth as he did, for planning assasination of Albus 
Dumbledore and almost killing two kids in the process.

I think Malfoy is a very bad "person" and that has nothing to do 
with HArry filter, unless again Harry filter is used as to show that 
something else occurs instead of what described.

IMO,

Alla