LV's reasons for showing at the DoM (was: Snape as Neville's teacher)

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Sun May 13 19:42:40 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 168661

Carol earlier:
> > <snip> The pain seems to stop, or is at least not mentioned, from
the time they begin their ride to the time that Harry tells Bellatrix
that the Prophecy orb is broken, perhaps indicating that the emotions
Voldemort senses (fear, confusion, anger) suggest to him that matters
are going as he anticipated (though possibly they're taking a bit too
long). However, the scar hurts again just at the point when he tells
Bellatrix that the Prophecy orb is broken. I'll quote rather than
summarizing this time:
> > 
> > "Well, you're going to have to kill me, because it's gone,' Harry
roared--and as he shouted it, pain seared across his forehead. His
scar was on fire again, and he felt a surge of fury that was quite
unconnected to his own rage. 'And he knows!' said Harry with a mad
laugh to match Bellatrix's own. 'Your dear old mate Voldemort knows
it's gone! <snip>  The prophecy smashed when I was trying to get
Neville up the steps! What do you think Voldemort'll say about that,
then!'
> > 
> > "His scar seared and burned . . . The pain of it was making his
eyes stream" (811).
> > 
> > At which point, she screams that he's a liar and we have the
"nothing to summon passage that I quoted earlier, Bellatrix's begging
Voldemort not to punish her, pain "more terrible than ever," and
Voldemort saying, "So you smashed my Prophecy" (812), echoing words
that Harry spoke *before* Voldemort's arrival.
> > 
> > It appears that Voldemort was monitoring the scar connection and
that he not only sensed Harry's emotions but actually read his 
thoughts or heard his words when he said that the prophecy was gone.
Note the timing of the pain in his scar as he speaks to Bellatrix--it
"sears across his forehead" immediately after he says that the
Prophecy is gone--and note Harry's elated reaction, "And he know it!"
And the scar sears and burns so badly that it makes his eyes stream
when he tells Bellatrix that the Prophecy smashed.
> <snip>
> 
> Dana:
> To me this passage points out the precise moment LV enters the DoM.
When Harry roared to Bella that the prophecy is lost, Harry feels a 
fury *unconnected* to his own rage and his scare begins to hurt. (the
word "unconnected" indicates to me this is not a personal visit Harry
is experiencing but a feeling Harry is picking up from LV). This is
the moment LV sees and hears that is everything is lost and that he is
too late to do anything about it. Harry knows this fury is connected
to the prophecy being lost while this fury was not evoked the moment
the prophecy broke. Harry did not have a strong emotion about it
because it did not matter to him one way or the other. So LV could not
have sensed a strong emotion about the prophecy being lost 
> and why Harry did not sense LV getting infuriated about it then. 
> 
> LV's fury comes from him hearing Harry tell Bella it is lost and to
me it is a lot to assume that it would take LV just a minute to 
appear at the DoM after he hears Harry tell this to Bella <snip>
Therefore I believe LV heard Harry tell Bella not from Harry's head 
but with his own ears as he'd just arrived. Harry would not have seen
him come in because he was hiding behind the statue of the Goblin and
we see by his reaction to Bella that LV is coming from her direction 
because she sees him first and then Harry states LV can't hear her. 
> <snip>

Carol responds:
 At least we agree that the fury Harry is feeling is voldemort's.
However, Voldemort has not yet arrived in the MoM (thye're no longer
in the DoM; they're now in the Atrium).

The moment of Voldemort's arrival is crystal clear from the context.
Harry doesn't see him, but Bellatrix does, and she interrupts her
calling Harry a liar to scream, 'MASTER, I TRIED, I TRIED--DO NOT
PUNISH ME--" (812).

Clearly, Voldemort has just arrived and she seems him appear, nearly a
page after Harry's says that the Prophecy is gone and his scar starts
to hurt again. Note, too, that the pain intensifies ("more terrible
than ever" just at that moment).

How Voldemort got in, I don't know. But there's no evidence whatsoever
that he's physically present until Bellatrix screams to him not to
punish her.

True, we don't know how Voldemort hears Harry's words or senses his
thoughts without having a scar himself, but it's clearly a two-way
connection, and Voldemort being not only a skilled Legilimens but the
greatest Dark Wizard of the century would know how to manipulate it.

Again, please note the timing.

Bella tries to summon the Prophecy. Harry tells her that it's gone.
His scar hurts for the first time since it prickled in the forest when
Harry referred to Sirius. He interprets the pain to mean that
Voldemort knows and informs Bellatrix that Voldie knows it's gone.

Harry tells her that the Prophecy smashed when he was trying to get
Neville up the steps. The scar hurts so badly that it brings tears to
his eyes.

She calls him a liar and tries to summon the Prophecy. The pain in his
head is building, but he laughs to incense her and says there's
nothing to summon.

She calls him a liar again and then screams to Voldemort not to punish
her. He has clearly arrived at that point. Harry has to "screw up his
eyes" to fight the pain and, with closed eyes, tells Bellatrix that he
can't hear her from there. 

And then Voldemort speaks and Harry opens his eyes to see LV standing
in the middle of the hall. Voldie, who has already heard or sensed
Harry telling Bella that the Prophecy is smashed now determines that
Harry is speaking the truth through eye-to-eye Legilimency.

Carol, who thinks it's crystal-clear that the two-way scar link and
nothing else brought Voldemort to that exact spot at that exact moment





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