Hagrid and Draco

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No: HPFGUIDX 168706

Betsy Hp:
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> Draco, on the other hand, does a pretty good job at the 
hurt/comfort 
> thing.  Which is part of the reason I question the easy dismissal 
of 
> his injury.  He may well be unable to cut his own roots, but he's 
not 
> going to cry about it to Harry.  (At least, not outside the more 
> maudlin fanfics anyway. <g>)


Alla:

Oh? So Draco is just pretending that he is pretending to be hurt? How 
do you figure this? His smirk (smile) and accompanying words seemed 
quite self evident to me that his injury was not something he was 
concerned about. IMO of course.






Betsy Hp:
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> Honestly, JKR never did write anything that encouraged me to 
despise 
> Draco.  In fact, I think she rather cleverly cut Draco's nastier 
> issues off at the knees so that even while disliking what he was 
> doing, I felt for him anyway.  And I think, especially after HBP, 
> that she did so quite purposefully.


Alla:

Here is the funny thing for me. I still hate him with passion when I 
read about things he had done in the past ( be it his participation 
in Buckbeak execution preparation, or coming to Trio's appartment, or 
cooking up DD assasination or so many other things).

But at the end of HBP JKR satisfied my bloodfirstiness as to little 
twit. I mean, she lost the possibility to make me sympathise with 
him, that will never happen. Or maybe I should never say never, we 
shall see after DH <g>

But after scene on the Tower, when I reread it, I do not hate him 
anymore ( hate when I read other books, but not the end of HBP) I 
mean, when I read this scene, I felt that DD weak as he is, hold all 
the power in that scene, despite Draco having the wand, etc.

I felt that Draco was already defeated by Dumbledore, regardless of 
whether he would kill Dumbledore or not, if that makes sense.

So, I was happy about that, sad as I was about poor Harry and about 
DD. I know that JKR probably meant to write something very different 
than what I got from the scene - Draco's upcoming redemption, DD 
showing him the right side, etc.

I just saw DD finally showing little twit his power and saying I am 
in charge here and you will do what I say.

Now, if only I saw Snape in DH in the similar position, I would be 
even happier.

If that makes any sense.


. Carol:
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> And I really don't see any difference between Draco's repeating 
gossip
> about Hagrid and Ron's repeating gossip about Snape, whom he also 
has
> not met: "Snape's Head of Slytherin House. They say he always favors
> them" (135). <SNIP>


Alla:

Sure, I do not see any difference either. Ron is repeating gossip as 
well, yes.

Ron's gossip turns out to be totally true, as far as I am concerned, 
but he is also making a judgment about the person he never met. Not 
good in my view.



Carol:
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> I guess you must be frequently annoyed in both the HP books and RL
> because people *do* say bad things about people they've never met 
and
> know only by reputation (George Bush, anyone?). And it's quite true
> that Hagrid lives in a hut on the grounds and gets drunk rather
> frequently. If Ron rather than Draco had told Harry the story of
> Hagrid trying to do magic and setting his bed on fire, chances are,
> Harry would have believed it, even after he'd met Hagrid.


Alla:

Not sure what RW has to do with it, but no, if person makes their own 
judgment about say public official, based on what he did **in 
public**, I think it is perfectly okay.

I never met President Bush and certainly have a judgment formed about 
him as public official, which I consider to be well informed. I 
witnessed enough of his actions to know what I think about them.

But actually, yes, sometimes I will be very annoyed when people say 
bad things about people they never met or things they have no clue 
about. Here is the good RW example.

I am sure you heard about Russian poet and writer Boris Pasternak and 
read his book "Doctor Zhivago". The soviet regime did not accept the 
book well, to put it mildly.

So, there had been massive campaign in the newspapers at that time, 
printing letters from "good citisens" saying basically:
"I did not read the book, but I condemn Boris Pasternak for writing 
it"

People doing  staff like that makes me angry in RL. 

 
> Carol, who has never met any of the characters in the WW but forms
> judgments about them, favorable or unfavorable, all the time


Alla:

Yes, me too, but I believe that this is different from what Draco or 
Ron had been doing