On the perfection of moral virtues/Snape and some Ron as well

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 168850

> > > > Pippin:
> > > > But why can't it be both? Look at Harry, he's cool, noble 
and 
> > brave, *and* he needs to be pitied and forgiven.
> > 
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Why can't it be both? Sure it can be. I just do not want it to 
be 
> > both and do not think it will be both, but it is certainly a 
> > possibility. As to comparison with Harry, see beyond. On that I 
> > completely agree with LL.
> >
> <snip> I see nobody at this point in the 
> > books from Harry needs forgiveness, except himself, literally.
> 
> Pippin:
> Then he'll need forgiveness for being perfect :)  
> 
> But  being pure of heart hasn't always stopped Harry from being 
lazy, 
> willfully ignorant or in denial. His friends have had to forgive 
him for
> those things numerous times and I suppose they'll be called on to 
do
> it again.  
> 


Alla:

Okay then. Seriously though, I thought we were talking about **big** 
stuff, something like Harry **may** consider forgiven Snape for.

Do I think that there is anything even close in Harry's life now 
that he needs to be forgiven for from anybody?

Nope, sorry, not even close. IMO obviously.


But if you were talking about Harry's everyday interactions with his 
friends, sure, he was rude to them quite a few times. Just as they 
were rude and inconsiderate to him quite a few times in my opinion.

Famous GOF fight - I thought Ron was the biggest jerk to Harry, 
Harry forgave him on the spot.

Just as in OOP I am sure Ron and Hermione forgave Harry for running 
his mouth at him.


This is what friends do, IMO, forgive each other.

Your original analogy was though that just as Snape needs to be 
forgiven, Harry does, was it not?

So, I still do not buy it, despite Harry being rude to his friends 
in his everyday interactions several times.


Oh, and Harry perfect? I guess I have to say it again. He is not 
perfect IMO, I am very much with JKR on this one - didn't she say 
something like that he is trying to do right thing, but it does not 
always work out?

So, I see Harry having quite a few flaws, while being rather decent 
kid all together, but do I think that his flaws arise anywhere near 
to Snape's flaws?


Not, not for me, not even close, because I see Snape right now as 
child abuser, traitor and murderer. I sincerely doubt that Harry 
will ever be any such thing, even if he kills Voldemort in his 
sleep, which I doubt he will.


JMO,

Alla