On Harry and Snape forgiveness, was: On the perfection of moral virtues

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 168873

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Laurel Coates"  wrote:
<SNIP> of the whole post basically>

> So I think Snape's role in revealing the prophecy should 
eventually be
> forgiven; it was his role that eventually will cause the downfall 
of
> Voldemort.


Alla:

The question to me is of course by whom it should be forgiven? Bad 
actions have unintended consequences, for sure. Does it make them 
any less bad actions? Not to me, really. I sincerely doubt that when 
Snape was selling prophecy couple to Voldemort, he had in mind 
Voldemort's future downfall.

I can be wrong of course.

So, I am sure WW feeling pretty good because Potters deaths bought 
them a decade of peace and as somebody said "the agony of one boy" 
may save them forever.

But do I think WW is in any position to forgive Snape, in fact 
anybody besides Harry? No, I do not.

And really, Snape actions in effect **made** Harry a chosen one, no?

Life that Harry I am pretty sure would have swapped with anybody IMO.

It costs him his parents, it cost him Sirius ( meaning him being 
taken to Azkaban), it made him endure sufferings at Dursleys.

I have a pretty good guess that Harry will eventually forgive Snape, 
but not because of good consequences his actions cost IMO, but 
because Harry will decide that Snape feels remorse.

But really, I think what Snape did is SO horrible that Harry will 
indeed be justifying never ever forgiving him and if Snape had any 
sense of decensy and want of Harry forgiveness, he should be begging 
that forgiveness on his knees.

Yes, I know - he is too "proud" for this, he would never beg for 
anything. Snape will not be Snape if he would beg, LOL. But IMO if 
he is too proud to beg for that, he should not expect to get this 
forgiveness from Harry. I put proud in quotations, because I think 
that proud is really wrong word to use here.

I think Snape not wanting to ask for Harry forgiveness would be 
arrogance at best, if he is loyal to Dumbledore and the persistence 
of true evil, if he is not loyal.

I would have some respect for him if I hear a true remorse from 
Snape mouth.

And, yes, I know JKR would make Harry forgive Snape at the end, I 
know that, LOL. I just hope that I will get something indicating 
that it was not wasted at least.

JMO,

Alla