Lupin in the Shrieking Shack was Re: On the perfection of moral virtues.

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 169068

> > Pippin:
> <BIG BIG SNIP>
> > Threatening to turn him over to dementors was wrong -- but
> > it's funny how many people think that Dumbledore should have 
> > sacrificed presumed Death Eater Draco with far less evidence.
> <EVEN BIGGER SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
>  I am glad we agree on Dementors' part, LOL.
> 
>  I wonder how you make out comparison with Draco here and especially 
> with "far less evidence" part? I mean, Dumbledore knows what Draco 
> is doing, does he not?

Pippin:
The only fair way to make this comparison, IMO,  is to  presume that
neither Dumbledore nor Snape  had any information not  revealed 
to the reader concerning Draco's guilt and Lupin's respectively. 

However, if you want to assume that Dumbledore has heard from 
eyewitnesses who saw Draco accept his assignment to murder 
Dumbledore  from Voldemort, you'll have to allow me to assume 
that Snape knows for certain that Lupin is a DE  protected by a 
Fidelius  Charm. :) 

Otherwise, however sure he might be, Dumbledore cannot 
have any direct information about Draco that hasn't been
revealed to the reader. We know that Harry does not know 
what Draco's assignment is, and we know that Draco did not 
tell Snape. Snape knows at most what Voldemort has
told him and what he's guessed from other Death Eaters. It's
hearsay.
 
What came from Snape, Dumbledore would trust because 
Dumbledore trusted Snape completely. But as you have yourself 
said many times, Dumbledore's trust does not prove 
anything. 

AFAWK, Draco had not been seen to consort with Death Eaters 
other than his immediate family.

Neither Harry nor anyone else, AFAWK,  had proof that Draco bought 
the necklace (not a crime in any case) or had anything to do with 
poisoning the mead. In fact, until Draco appeared before 
Dumbledore, there was no direct evidence that Draco had done 
anything worse than dodge Snape's questions.

Snape, OTOH, heard and saw Lupin consorting  with
Black. He heard him  confess to breaking his agreements
with Dumbledore in the past, allowing himself to be 
led into Hogsmeade in werewolf form, endangering innocent lives.
He heard Lupin   admit that he had been too cowardly to inform anyone
that he knew Sirius was an animagus. Lupin said he believed Sirius had
powers from  Voldemort that would enable him to enter the
castle without using his animagus abilities. He said  that Snape
had been right all along to tell Dumbledore that he, Lupin, could 
not be trusted. 

Having just heard Lupin confess with his own mouth that he could
not be trusted and that he had been protecting Sirius's secrets all
year so that Dumbledore wouldn't learn the truth, how could Snape 
believe that Lupin could be trusted to cooperate with Black's arrest? 

 In fact, Lupin doesn't cooperate. He starts trying to convince Snape 
that Black is innocent and shouldn't be turned in -- but why? 
Snape hasn't yet said anything about taking Sirius directly to the 
dementors. If Pettigrew's survival is the proof of Sirius's innocence, 
why does  Lupin seem so eager to keep it out of  Dumbledore's  hands?
Imagine how it would look to DDM!Snape that Lupin supposedly
has proof of Sirius's innocence, and rather than bring it to 
Dumbledore, he's out in the Shrieking Shack trying to convince
three teenagers. Huh?

Alla:
> Oh, and I do not remember people arguing that Dumbledore should 
> feed "presumed DE Draco" ( who may very well have dark mark under 
> his sleeve) to the Dementors.

Pippin:
You are arguing, if I understand correctly, that Draco should have
been confined without evidence, or on secret evidence. It 
seems, however, that you think Snape was out of line to confine
Lupin on the basis of the evidence we know he had.

Pippin