Marietta

[eggplant107]

No: HPFGUIDX 169307

-Carol Wrote:

> But how could Marietta know that Umbridge
> was willing to "commit torture and murder"?

If Marietta didn't understand what sort of person Umbridge was then
she most certainly should have! And I think members of the French
Resistance could be forgiven for being a little impatient listening to
excuses from one of their member explaining why he put all their lives
in danger by betraying them to the Nazis.

> She may have thought [
]

Can't you see how irrelevant what a traitor thought would be to
soldier fighting on the front lines? Whatever thoughts were dancing in
her head her actions could have killed them all, and as it was her
action eventual led to the death of Harry's Godfather.

> Carol, unaware of any school in the world
> that would put a bullet through a student's
> brain for any reason whatever 

Eggplant, unaware of any school in the world except Hogwarts where
teachers torture students and try to murder them.

"pippin_999" Wrote:

> I was on jury duty the other day,
> and the judge stressed 

Off the top of my head I can't think of anything a judge said (or any
lawyer for that matter) that was both true and not trivially obvious.

> both Ron and Hermione were outraged
> to hear that Sirius had been sentenced
> without trial 

They had every reason to be outraged, and even if Sirius had a trial
it would have been a Kangaroo Court. The fact is the Wizard world did
not have a working judicial system, especially if the victims were
unpopular with the Ministry like Sirius, Harry, and the DA. In a case
like that the only solution is to take justice into your own hands.
True, that is far from the ideal situation, but it's the best they
could do at the time, and some justice is better than no justice.  

> I don't think JKR considers human rights
> a matter of Saturday morning cartoon morality. 

I agree, and that's exactly why JKR does not encourage her readers to
weep over Marietta.

hickengruendler Wrote: 

> I do agree that it quite nasty from
> marietta, to betray everyone

It was more than nasty, it was evil, an evil deserving the harshest
punishment; but all she got was acne.

montavilla47 

>  But Eggplant, it was kid stuff. They were
> kids at school holding a secret study group. 

This kids study group held their own against a gang of murderous Death
Eaters that outnumbered them two to one. 

> in HBP, the Ministry is supposed to be merely
> incompetent. *Not* the enemy. 

Oh I think the Ministry is very much the enemy (remember Umbridge
still works there), not the same enemy as Voldemort but an enemy
nevertheless. And besides, we were talking about OOP not HBP.

> If the Ministry and Dumbledore's Army are on
> the same side, why is a person who sided
> with the Ministry still being punished? 

Because that person came very close to killing them all.

Eggplant