Responses to Marietta (was: Misc. responses, some quite old)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 169335

--- "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > 
> > bboyminn:
> .
> > When Shacklebolt modified her memory, he may have 
> > modified that aspect that effected Motivation 
> > rather than details. With a shift in motivation 
> > comes a shift in loyalty. That shift in loyalty 
> > would have produced the same answers as your 
> > suggestion that Marietta remembers nothing at all. 
> 
> Pippin:
> But there's no canon that memory charms can shift
> motivation, or that Marietta's motivation has 
> shifted.  Good heavens, if the Ministry has that 
> kind of power, it's a shame they haven't reformed 
> a few Death Eaters that way, not to mention 
> Riddle himself. Zap! you're a good guy.
> 
> There is ample canon that memory charms
> make people forget their acquired knowledge and
> their experiences. But even a memory charm as 
> violent as the one that affected Lockhart didn't 
> cause him to change his motivations or his loyalties.
> 
> What you're describing sounds a lot more like
> the Imperius Curse, actually. 
> 
> Pippin
>

bboyminn:

What you are forgetting is that Memory Charms are
SELECTIVE. They don't, unless specifically intended,
make you forget 'everything'. They are very selective
and make you forget what the caster desires you to
forget.

The people that Lockhart Memory Charmed didn't,
apparently turn into mindless zombies. They continued
on with their daily lives, just as Marietta did. They
remembered who they were, where they lived, who their
family was, what they did for a living, etc.... 

The same is true of Mr. Roberts at the Quidditch World 
Cup camp grounds. He was specifically Memory Charmed
to forget /wizard/ related things. His mind did not
go completely blank.

So, IF Marietta was made to forget her motivation,
the details of which we are not privileged to, then 
the reason for her actions would no longer exist. She
could however remember what she did and further 
remember the consequences of her actions, and THAT 
would be new motivation for NOT cooperating with Fudge 
and Umbridge.

I'm not saying this is true, I am saying since we 
don't know the nature of Marietta's memory 
modification, that modification come open to
speculation. My version of speculated memory 
modification is just as valid as your version, and
both are consistent with known cannon.

Again, my central point is that since so much is 
not know, since so many details are missing, we really
don't know what happened beyond the superficial 
explanation we have. That further opens the door to 
a wide range of speculation about what might
happen in the future, because we have so little 
information to base future actions on.

The 'spots' could just as easily disappear on their own,
or not. Hermione could just as easily make friends with
Marietta in the next book and resolve the spots as not. 
The master healer winging his way for China to cure
Marietta could just as easily happen as not. Etc....

There is simply not enough information available to 
make sure judgments on.

I do however understand and share, to some extent,
people dislike for Hermione's actions. But we judge
this from the perspective of older, wiser, more
rational human beings. Hermione's judgment is from
a normally irrational short-sighted impulsive 
teenager. Teenager's are crazy; completely irrational
and illogical creatures who are easy to take offense, 
and just as easy to forget offense.

>From my perspective as an older wiser person, this was
a terrible thing to do, but from Hermione's perspective
as an impulsive teenager, it makes some sense. 
Eventually, everyone involved will find, or at least I 
hope, the rational ground and resolve the unresolved 
aspects of the event. 

I'm somewhat angry at Hermione, but I'm also hoping
she will have a change of heart and straighten things
out with Marietta, that is, if at the beginning of 
the next book, the issue still needs resolving.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn