[HPforGrownups] On Children and the "Other" (was:Re: On the perfection of moral virtues)

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 169572

> > > > houyhnhnm:
> > > > I will accept anyone who is one my side? That is
> > > > not tolerance. Tolerance is a commitment to the
> > > > the belief that *everyone* has a right to be.
> >
> >
> > Betsy Hp:
> > Ah, but houyhnhnm is saying everyone has a right *to be*. Your
> > political choices shouldn't determine whether or not you have the
> > right to exist as a human being. <snip>
>
> Mike:
> Ah, but by that reasoning Voldemort has a "right to be". Alla was
> saying, and I agree with her, that those political choices will
> result in other people passing judgement on your *human-ness*. Did
> Hitler, Tojo, Stalin have a right to be? Were the "others" that
> disagreed with them wrong for opposing them with the ultimate force
> they could muster? It *is* a matter of degrees as to what the
> appropriate response is to those "others".

Kemper now:
The right to be is not the same as the right to do.  The right to be,
is the right to exist, to live.  To do is to act.

Hitler had the right to live.  He did not have the right to act upon
his racist beliefs/thoughts to the point of harming anyone yet alone
attempting genocide.

Same with Stalin, who I'm sure you recall was a frienemy*, an Ally
that helped defeat Hitler only to engage the other Allies in a cold
war.

Voldemort has the right to live, too.  He does not have a right to
torture or kill.

All of them forfeit their right to be when they violate the rights to
be of others... I guess.  I would rather see those who kill/torture
lose their right to be living the life they want by living a long,
lonely life in a penal system dieing from ennui.

>
> You "tolerate" anyone who has not wronged you. (I agree with Betsy's
> interpretation of the term "tolerate" and how she applied it
> versus "appreciate"). If you have no reasonable grounds to oppose the
> other, you follow the Golden Rule. Once you've been wronged, your
> response should be measured by what degree that wrong against you
> rose to. Again, all my opinion.

Kemper now:
I think Stalin was tolerated.  He was not appreciated.
DD tolerated, barely, the Ministry.  He did not appreciate them as a
whole.  He appreciated some of those who worked for them: Arthur,
Tonks, Shaklebolt.
My opinion only.

Kemper
*friend who is an enemy