[HPforGrownups] JKR, the female and facism (wasRe: WAS Slytherin as villains...

[Katie Spilman]

No: HPFGUIDX 179097





>  > >>lizzyben:

>  > <snip>

>  > But Eco mentioned one other element that just made my jaw drop: in

>  > fascist societies, people are trained to become "heroes", and

>  > choosing death is seen as the most heroic act of all.

>  > <snip>

>

>  Betsy Hp:

>  This was a fascinating post, lizzyben. And I think it ties into what

>  I found to be one of the oddest juxtaposes of the series. In HBP,

>  when I thought JKR was telling a completely different story, we have

>  two women appear at Snape's house. ... One has come to ... save Draco's life

>  The other states ... that Draco should be proud to die for his cause.

>

>  At the time, I thought the "good mother" choice rather obvious. The

>  woman trying to save her son was the better woman. But then, in DH,

>  Lily, the perfect mother, and as far as I can tell, proves me wrong.

>

>  "Lily's smile was the widest of all. She pushed her long hair back

>  as she drew close to him, and her green eyes, so like his, searched

>  his face hungrily, as though she would never be able to look at him

>  enough."

>  "You've been so brave." [DH scholastic ed. p.699]

>

>  And so a mother sends her son off to certain death. And is she ever

>  proud that he's willing to die for his cause. That Lily is herself

>  dead is probably a help. I mean, the sooner Harry dies, the sooner

>  Lily will see him again. But it's an odd position for a mother to

>  take.

>

>  ... Lily, by being proud that Harry's heading off to die, is the

>  better mother. Which, yeah, I find a bit odd and not a little

>  perverse.



Kemper now:

I see Lily more as Mother Mary in this scene.  It is what I imagine

she would say to her son as he carried his cross.  (I'm not trying to

equate a Harry is Jesus thing)  Lily and Mary don't send their son off

to die, their sons have chosen this.


Katie S.:I thought the Harry as a literary parallel to Jesus was painfully obvious, dying selflessly to save the world, the love of the world bringing him back to life, his father (Dumbledore) sacrificing him to save the world, etc.
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