Harry as godfather (Was: Sirius Black's role in DH -- why?)
dumbledore11214
dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 19 01:40:41 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 179189
> Carol responds:
>
> Maybe the comparison is not so much regarding the situation of the
> baby boys (though I agree with Pippin that both Teddy and his
parents
> were in danger and had been specifically targeted by Bellatrix) as
> regarding the situation of the godfathers, neither of whom was in a
> position to be much help in rearing a child or setting an example
for
> him. <SNIP>
Alla:
Well, yeah, I thought comparison was pretty much about both and I
found both comparisons to be incomparible. In that short period of
time when Harry was made Teddy's godfather till the end of the war,
I have not noticed Harry having any responcibilities towards little
Teddy.
I do think though that Harry's job as godfather was mailnly done
after the war, when he contrary to Sirius IMO was in perfect
position to help Teddy with whatever he needs and set example for
him.
Carol
<SNIP>
> Recklessness (as, surely, even his most devoted fans agree), is
Sirius
> Black's defining characteristic. <SNIP>
Alla:
Um, not this fan for sure. I am not intending to really argue it, I
must say, just wanted to put it on record.
I will surely agree that recklessness is one of the **important**
characteristics of Sirius' character, but there is absolutely no way
I will agree that when I think of this character the first thing
that comes to my mind is that he is reckless. The first thing I
think of Sirius is his loyalty, recklessness comes after that and
his love for Harry.
But of course this is the fan of the character speaking and I tend
to put his positive characteristics first - not because I do not see
negative, but because I sincerely feel that those are defining, so
again I am not going to argue this at all, argued too often by now.
I mean, just as I put Snape's despicable cruelty towards Harry as
his defining characteristic, I am sure you will put it one of the
very last ones and you will characterise it as sarcasm or something.
Again, I just wanted to stress that NO not every fan of Sirius
agrees that recklessness is his defining characteristics.
Carol:
<SNIP>
According to the epilogue, Teddy
> has dinner at the Potter house several times a week, and the Potter
> children apparently consider "our Teddy" almost as much a member of
> the family as their Weasley cousins (Lily wants him to marry
Victoire
> so he'll actually be part of the family). So I see nothing to
> criticize here, certainly no "recklessness" on the part of the
adult
> Harry (beyond whatever risks he would face as an Auror, assuming
that
> he chose that career, and we can take JKR at her word here or not
as
> we choose since it's not in the book).
Alla:
I think there is a some sort of confusion here. I see nothing to
criticise in Harry as godfather either. I am sure he took his
responsibilities VERY seriously. What I am disagreeing with is the
fact that JKR calls him much better godfather while the
**circumstances** during which he got to really do godfather's
duties are drastically different and IMO much easier than Sirius
got, that's all.
> Carol, hoping that Alla will quote the passage that she thinks
refers
> to the adult Harry as a "reckless" godfather so that we can either
> deconstruct it or ignore it together <eg>
>
Alla:
Pippin quoted it upthread.
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