Some Dumbledore ranting/ some Sirius WAS: Re: Harry as godfather

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No: HPFGUIDX 179218

Carol:
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whereas
> the Dursleys' claim as his nearest relatives is indisputable.

a_svirn:
Then how is it they knew nothing whatsoever about their ward's
financial situation? If they had been Harry's legal guardians surely
they have had an access to his gold? Or at least determined the size
of allowance? Or at the very least knew the terms of the Potters'
will? <SNIP>

Alla:

To me it is not even that, although I agree with you a_svirn, 
Dursleys are clueless about those issues.

It is more that they were not GOING to claim any guardianship even 
if they were entitled to it. I mean, I said many times, I believe 
that as aunt Petunia owed Harry to help him - simply by the issue of 
being a relative and that is how I was taught family members should 
behave - help each other at the time of need, etc, etc.

BUT there is no doubt in my mind that Dursleys wanted NOTHING to do 
with Harry till Dumbledore imposed Harry on them.

To make a RL analogy again, if the guardianship was heard in court, 
I believe Sirius' claim would be pretty much uncontested by anybody.

Well, unless Dumbledore would forcibly bring Dursleys to court and 
under Imperius directs them to claim it. IMO of course.


a_svirn:
The point is, however excellent Dumbledore's reasons might have been
it wasn't his place to have them. It is the parents' prerogative to
name a guardian for their child. Dumbledore had no right to meddle.

Alla:

Word of agreement here :)

Sherry now:
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 It would screw up his plan to
have a young healthy godfather/guardian in the world and able to be 
involved
in Harry's life.


Alla:

And we know that at least on miniscale ( or is it really mini?) 
Sirius did try to do what he felt was best for Harry ( to tell him 
the truth in OOP), contrary to DD's wishes.

One could only wonder what he could have done had he not been 
through Azkaban, not half crasy, not depressed, etc.


zgirnius:
To all who have leapt gallantly to the defense of Sirius Black
against my accusations, I have two responses.

First, a lukewarm defense of Albus. Save Harry, ask questions
afterwards is the policy I suggest he pursued. Having duly saved
Harry, Albus next went to investigate, only to discover that in the
interim Sirius had, in front of numerous witnesses, killed one of his
closest friends and an Order member, Peter Pettigrew, and twelve
innocent Muggle bystanders. 
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Alla:

Oh? He DID went to investigate? When and where? I am serious by the 
way. Before the PoA, please because I do not consider it to be the 
investigation.

zgirnius:
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Or, he had the same opinion as some posters here, that Albus is a
manipulative bastard, in which case his action was even more reckless
and irresponsible. It left poor Harry defenseless and in the hands of
that vile puppetmaster for over a decade. The right move in my voew
would have been to publicize the truth about Peter to all who would
listen, to force and investigation, and to get himself cleared, so
that he could claim custody of Harry, or at least keep an eye on him
and be a presence in his life.

Alla:

Oh sure, I sure wish that Sirius would have been not devastated that 
he did that you suggested. That is a non issue to me, really.

My point is that to me to go against the will of great Albus 
Dumbledore ( yes, I am being sarcastic here) would have been a 
totally useless move, Which again does not stop me from saying that 
Sirius should have done it, and I believe that he would, since even 
being devastated, he DID try to claim Harry.

Hard enough? NO, but with Fudge taking directions from DD at that 
time, I have no doubt that Sirius would have sero success claiming 
Harry or attempting to enter his life.

But let me say again, he should have tried.


Zgirnius:
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I would love it if someone could point to some canon basis for the
(apparently popular) opinion that Albus would not hesitate to
knowingly destroy the life of an innocent human being if it served
his purposes or his vision of "the greater good". Personally, I
cannot wrap my mind around this view.

Alla:

Well, Harry comes to mind of course. Yes, definitely does.

I am not talking of course of great Albus leaving him with Dursley, 
that was to save his life. I am not talking of course of depriving 
him a chance to grow up with godfather ( I am not saying that Sirius 
does not bear part of the blame for that, but nobody can persuade me 
that Dumbledore does not bear a huge part of blame as well).

I am talking of you know, telling Snape that Harry should die, just 
like that.

Do I want to believe that Dumbledore knew that Harry would not die? 
Sure. Am I sure? Not at all.

Yes, I say this is destroying the life of innocent for greater good.

And yes, to me "guilty till proven innocent" as what I believe DD 
pursued towards Sirius counts as destroying a life.

Oh, oh and further proof of that IMO is that Dumbledore did not even 
**bother** to convince Ministry of Sirius' innocence. I know, I 
know, needs of the plot.

OR I can read it that even after PoA Dumbledore much preferred 
Sirius to have as fewer contact with Harry as possible.

Because if he does contact with Harry, he may, I don't know, try to 
tell Harry that great and terrible thing called truth, that 
Dumbledore thinks should be treated with great caution.

Oh, he actually tried to do so, while Molly forced him to stop.

Fudge did not seem to need much convincing to me to clear up the 
dead Sirius' name in OOP.

What exactly stopped Dumbledore from telling him the story and 
making Fudge question Sirius under veritaserum?

Yes, I know they had a cooling off in their relationship in OOP. I 
believe in GoF DD could have still easily done it.

IMO,

Alla