Harry as godfather (Was: Sirius Black's role in DH -- why?)

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Sherry:
> 
> I can't speak for Alla, though I think I know her well enough to be
> confident that isn't at all what she was saying.  But with the 
later advent
> of a little thing called legilimency, something we know DD was 
good at,
> perhaps DD could have managed to bother to talk to Sirius for a 
few minutes
> to find out the truth.  <SNIP>

Alla:

Right, obviously I would not advocate giving Harry to actual 
murderer. But I certainly do not agree with someone who has no 
relations to Potters whatsoever just deciding to decide Harry and 
Sirius fate because he **thinks** Sirius is guilty.

I will be even fine with Dumbledore putting Harry to Dursleys 
**temporarily** but then making double and triple sure that he finds 
out ALL the facts for himself and helping Sirius'.

One of his soldiers and all that.

Oh, and Marianne your brain is fine :) Dumbledore was asked to be 
Minister and refused, I just cannot find a quote now. So, yeah he 
WAS that influential and I am pretty sure he would be able to get 
himself to Azkaban to have one conversation with Sirius, if he 
wanted to IMO of course.

I am really truly cannot find any other explanations for decent 
Dumbledore doing it besides the needs of the plot.


And of course the peak of hypocrisy to me was Dumbledore giving 
**evidence** of Sirius' guilt. What evidence? The ones that 
disappeared after one conversation?

Sigh.


Mike:
<SNIP> 
 If I was Harry, I'd have been too pissed at DD by the time
I got to "King's Cross" to have listened to a word he said.

But, that's the character that JKR wrote. And within the story, I
think DD's characterization works just fine. Not that I like him. ;

Alla:

Oh Mike, I left in the few sentences just to be able to say – 
brilliant analysis and the one with every word of which I am pretty 
much forced to agree.


> > Alla:
> > During that famous conversation with Sirius, does anybody have 
any 
> > doubt that Dumbledore used legilimency on him, since he used 
that on 
> > Harry quite routinely?

Random: 
> Is that canon? I don't think we ever actually are told we're 
seeing 
> Dumbledore use legilimency. (It is common, in fanfiction, to 
associate 
> the 'twinkle' of his eye with it, but that's not canon)

Alla:

What is canon? That Dumbledore used legilimency on Sirius? No, just 
my speculation.

That Dumbledore used legilimency on Harry many times? I believe it 
is, even though to my knowledge he only admits it once. I think it 
is in HBP, when Harry comes to him pissed that Snape is an 
eavesdropper and Dumbledore kept it quiet.

Dumbledore wants to figure out why Harry is so upset and tells him 
that he never was a good occlumenc ( I think)

I think that when Dumbledore for example looking in Harry's eyes in 
CoS and PoA, yes, on reread I think JKR wants us to be sure that it 
is legilimency. IMO obviously.