Plotholes and Dumbledore/ some Dark is rising WAS: Why down on all the characte

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> > Jeanette wrote:
> >
> > It just might be me but since the release of DH there seems to be
> > a very negative feel to a lot of the posts.
> 
> Mike:
> I'm not! Oh sure, there were plenty of plot holes, but they didn't 
> ruin the story for me. We've been pointing out the plot holes for 
a 
> long time on this list. In fact, I rather have fun discovering 
them.
> Pointing them out doesn't mean the story sucks, imo.
> 
><SNIP BIG SNIP BIIIIIIG>

Alla:

Oh such a lovely post Mike with which I agree all over again, but I 
wanted to expand a bit on the subject of plot holes, which I agree 
are a plenty.

There are some which I would consider unexplainable no matter how 
hard I try (that still does not make the story suck for me either) 
BUT some plot holes to me work perfectly well and even seem to be 
quite in character.

Like for example the fact that Dumbledore insisted Harry did not 
tell anybody about Horcruxes, even though as a_svirn so eloquently 
argued Mcgonagall, DA were in such a good position to investigate.

I totally agree, they were AND I totally think that Dumbledore 
should have insisted Harry do the opposite thing - **shared** the 
information with ALL people he trusts, not just Ron and Hermione.

Having said that, Dumbledore did learn secrets on his mother's knee 
indeed, didn't he?

I found it perfectly, perfectly consistent with his character as 
established within the books IMO.

Need to know basis and that's all. Is it too clever for his own good 
or better said quite idiotic? SURE, I do think so, but do I think 
that is Dumbledore indeed? Oh yes, in fact I would have been 
scratching my head had he told Harry to share information. I mean, I 
would have been happy that he did learn something, but looks to me 
that he never did.

Harry did learn something though when he at least shared that he 
needs to find something IMO.

Too late? Maybe, but to me better late than never.

So, this secrecy of Dumbledore works perfectly for me as the 
prominent quality of Dumbledore's character - I KNOW better, even if 
I really do not IMO.

When it stops working for me is when it is viewed in some sort of 
positive light - that Dumbledore had some sort of good reason to do 
so. THEN it can only be a plot hole for me.

Otherwise - Dumbledore as super secretive, whether it makes sense to 
be or not, that works just fine IMO.


As an aside on the subject of plot holes that I cannot explain and 
as I said I can certainly see some of them there ( secret keeper 
cough for example), I think of them as I think of one of the plot 
holes in Dark is rising series. Or what counts for me as a plot hole 
anyways. The character in the book had to recover a musical 
instrument (harp? keep forgetting the word) that was a major part 
for their quest and his mentor and boss sent him on this quest that 
was oh ever so important for the light.

So, he does in that beautifully described competition, answers the 
riddles, gets the harp, etc. Where is the plot hole you ask? Well, 
you see three lords of High magic are the guardians of this harp.

Cough, one of them IS the mentor of the kid who has to get the harp 
and another one is also the Lord of light, and only one is Lord of 
the dark

I did not think that makes a slightest sense for the kids to go 
through all that to get there, context and all that, because why 
could not his mentor and other lord just, you know, overpower the 
dark lord and get the harp?

Sort of seemed to me they were in the better position, no?

But the thing is (And I will get it back to Potterverse, I promise 
and soon :) this is not what author is concerned with. She wrote the 
quest for the kids and described it beautifully, so I just do not 
think much that my scenario makes better sense to me. 

Same thing in Potterverse happens often. Did Harry participation in 
Tournament could have been avoided by any sense? Sure, of course.

And could Barty dear just send him as a present to Voldy at any time?

ABSOLUTELY. The thing is JKR decided it should happen that way, so I 
just followed along the ride. She wanted Harry to suffer and fight 
at Graveyard, no?

I figured, since I enjoyed the end result tremendously, I do not 
care that it happened in rather contrived way. 

JMO,

Alla