Why down on all the characters?/ Dumbledore

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> a_svirn:
> Yes, I think we were supposed to accept Dumbledore if not as the 
> epitome of goodness, then at least as full of goodness.
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Alla:

Well, I thought so at some point, but as I said before even prior to 
DH I would have disagreed.

As I also mentioned before my prior DH picture of Dumbledore was 
certainly not as bad as the one I have now ( does not mean again that 
I think of him as evil, just the man with many many real faults), but 
even prior to DH I saw Dumbledore as someone who did truly horrible 
things - to Harry and Sirius especially, in the name of greater good, 
sure, but that does not mean that I saw them as good.

It is just while I just as Mike did saw Dumbledore's speech in OOP as 
something bad ( I mean, no, do not want to speak for Mike - his 
expression was backturner?), I kept hoping that this was not a 
representation of DD's general character, just certain portion of it. 
OOPS.

a_svirn:
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 > In the end Dumbledore has got another chance to justify himself. 
In 
> the Kings Cross chapter he rewrites the whole story once again, and 
> we are left with the impression that ends do justify means after 
all 
> (even if the ends themselves aren't clearly discernable). And 
> obviously Harry accepted this philosophy – otherwise why call his 
son 
> Albus?

Alla:

Did Harry accept his philosophy? Or did he forgive Dumbledore? 
Because I believe that he forgave him an that is why for me there is 
no dissonance.

I do not buy Dumbledore as epitome of goodness anymore, no way. I do 
not believe JKR wanted to portray it, I am with Steph and Mike on 
that.

I thought he portrayed a very very flawed man, who was willing to do 
ANYTHING, to hurt and manipulate in the name of the PLAN and for the 
greater good and who stumbled for the first time when child with the 
green eyes came into his life, you know?

Just my opinion.

 
> a_svirn:
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> No, it wasn't. On the contrary, the determined iconoclasm of DH 
> proved to be a sleight of hand in the end. Dumbledore got his last 
> word in the Kings Cross chapter and explained everything to Harry's 
> satisfaction. And if Harry is satisfied – to the point of naming 
his 
> son after Dumbledore – by the end of the last book, then, 
apparently, 
> so should we. Only I wasn't.
>

Alla:

See above I guess. I do not believe Harry was satisfied, but forgave 
DD. IMO.