Moody's death (was: Dumbledore's authority WAS: Re: Fees for Harry)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 179424

> Dana:
> Well I disagree with you here. The plan wasn't Moody's but Dung's 
> through Snape (through DD). To me, it would be very strange if the 
> person who suggested the plan in the first place, actually thinks 
it 
> is to dangerous to be part of it. 

a_svirn:
Not really. He was willing to contribute to the planning, but not 
willing to die. Simple as that. They were expecting a few death 
eaters on the lookout, and they were expecting them to come after 
Moody. (In fact, this is the essence of the idea of decoy. But it 
puts the one who does distracting in jeopardy.)So when Moody insisted 
on taking Fletcher with him, he *was* setting him up as canon folder. 
Of course, he was putting himself at even greater jeopardy (not least 
because Fletcher was "an unreliable bit of scum" to quote Harry), and 
I suppose, he reckoned it gave him the right to demand the same 
sacrifice from Dung. But the thing is - it didn't. 

> Dana:
I understand the he was confunded 
> to suggest the plan but the Order doesn't know that and neither do 
> they know there is an ambush waiting to them.  

a_svirn:
Moody did know that he and Mundungus Fletcher would be in the 
greatest danger. As Tonks said he *expected* death eaters to chase 
himself at first, and then to come after Kingsley. Which means that 
the doppelganger that came with Moody was in the most danger. 
Moreover, they discussed it between them – afterwards Tonks praised 
his perspicacity. So Fletcher knew that he was elected to be the 
sacrificial lamb. And incidentally, Hermione was chosen as the second 
best target, because she flew with Kingsley. I wonder why.

> Dana:
> Personally I do not think either of them are to blame. Dung didn't 
> know what he was suggesting and Moody didn't know what he was 
> accepting when he went along with this plan. 

> Of course the entire plan is just very childish to begin with and 
> something kids would come up with and not grown-up war veterans but 
> that is just me of course, still I disagree that Moody took it upon 
> himself to use Dung as canon folder. 

a_svirn:
Why? From Moody's point of view it wasn't that bad. I mean, he only 
expected a couple of death eaters on the lookout. They would go after 
him and Dung, and even if they killed them both and go after the next 
best target (Kinsley and Hermione), well, it would still buy some 
time for Harry. Nice and easy does the tick. He didn't know, poor 
man, that the plan was excogitated by Dumbledore, and Dumbledore 
doesn't like nice and easy. He likes dire and convoluted.   

> Dana:
If you want to blame someone for 
> the ridiculous plan and using Dung to set up the Order and make 
them 
> target practice for a bunch of DE, then it is still DD and I also 
do 
> hold Snape responsible for not rejecting this plan and telling DD 

a_svirn:
I do hold them responsible. But I like Moody's methods as little as 
Dumbledore's. 

> Dana:
> that he already has enough credit with LV to ask him for the job of 
> headmaster. 

a_svirn:
And even if he didn't, they still had no right to sacrifice others to 
improve Snape's standing. 


> Dana: 
> I think the real problem is that JKR tried to make a convincing 
plot 
> that would increase the suspense in who she was going to kill off 
> during the book and trying to set up Snape as being LV's man to 
later 
> turn it around. The first chapter was convincing, this one? Not so 
> much. 

a_svirn:
Personally I don't understand what was stopping Harry from waiting 
until he's seventeen (perhaps last couple of hours with the Cloak on, 
just in case) and apparating – as soon as the Trace broke – to some 
safe location.