Moody's death (was: Dumbledore's authority WAS: Re: Fees for Harry)

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 179470

> > > Pippin:
> > > But he wasn't compelled, 
> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > What do you mean he wasn't compelled? That he wasn't Imperused? 
> > Sure. But he wasn't there on his free will, that much is obvious.
> 
> Pippin:
> It's not obvious at all, since he exercised his free will by
> disapparating.
> 
> -<snip>-
> He wasn't eager to risk his life, but he wasn't being forced to 
> do it either. He obviously wasn't being held prisoner, or
> Snape could never have got to him to confund him.

Mike:
Beg pardon for butting in here. But was Dung really allowed to 
exercise free will if Snape had confunded him to bring the "7 
Potters" plan to the Order? Didn't Snape/DD take that away by 
compelling him to take their plan to the Order?

I agree with Pippin that he wasn't being forced, but for himself 
he's still none too happy to be a part of the plan. He's not exactly 
the volunteering type, is he? And if he hadn't been "compelled" to 
bring this plan up, would the Order have picked him to be a party to 
it? I think a_svirn has a valid point in calling Dung an involuntary 
participant, when all factors are considered.



> > a_svirn:
> > I am. As we know from canon Dobby did save the life of Harry and
> > other prisoners of the Malfoy Manor in a situation that required
> > his join Apparition skill. Why not ask him to apparate Harry to,
> > say, Aunty Muriel's? Where is the possible flaw in that plan?
> 
> Pippin:
> In the fine old days of TBAY, that one would rate you a yellow
> flag.<g>
> There's no canon that House Elves can disapparate with wizards in
> tow. If they could, then Regulus could have had Kreacher save
> him from the Inferi.

Mike:
Ah, but then you'd have to pick up that flag and dip your fork into 
that crow pie. <eg>

@ "You can Disapparate out of this cellar?" he asked Dobby, who 
@ nodded, his ears flapping.
@ "And you can take humans with you?"
@ Dobby nodded again.
@ "Right. Dobby, I want you to grab Luna, Dean, and Mr. Ollivander,
@ and take them --"
.....
@ They caught hold of the elf's outstretched fingers. There was
@ another loud crack, and Dobby, Luna, Dean, and Ollivander vanished.
@ <DH CH 23, pp 468-9, US Ed.>

Too bad Regulus didn't think of this.


> Pippin:
> Harry disapparates with Dobby, not the other way round.

Mike:
Yes, apparently once out of the dungeon, humans could (dis)apparate. 
Though that doesn't seem logical based on Dumbledore's explanation 
in HBP about wizards protecting their homes with anti-apparation 
charms. Maybe one can (dis)apparate out but not in? 

I remember that both Tonks and DD went out to the Burrow's garden 
before disapparating in HBP. Was that because of the additional 
protections? Did Arthur ever disapparate from inside the house, or 
does he go outside first, in the earlier books?


Mike, who noticed that others have already made some of his points 
while he was typing this post, but is going to post it anyway cuz 
he's obstinant that way. :-P